Rogue

[0:00]

Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire, the only dogs who flash cast in possession of a good fortune, which must be in want of a bird.

I'm Nathan.

I'm Brendan.

I'm James.

I'm Simon.

And I'm Todd.

So, uh, we're here today to discuss season one episode probably six, uh, depending on whether you're Disney or the BBC.

It is Rogue, written by Kate Heron and Bryney Redmond, and directed by Ben Chessel, who we saw earlier this season doing the devil's chord.

I want to start with just a quick sort of round of general impressions.

This might be a good place for your mark out of 10 or your feelings about the episode generally.

I think I have to start with Todd after saying that.

I have to say, any episode that surprises me with Kylie in such a delightful way is going to get lots of plus points and I enjoyed the whole thing thoroughly, at least an 8 out of 10 for me.

[01:09]

Brilliant.

What about you, Brendan?

I'm with Todd.

It's an 8 out of 10.

The only place it loses points is I felt it repeated some ideas from Captain Jack and River, but not enough for it to sort of bore me or me to go, oh, we've seen this before.

I get it.

It's kind of a shorthand, but yeah, it's a solid 8 out of 10 from me.

What about you, Simon?

Well, goodness me.

I might even say 8.5 out of 10.

I think there is there is there is gas.

There is much to love about this episode, including, and particularly the way it's made, you know, the structure of it with that wonderful cold open, it just drags you in.

It's just fantastic.

The costuming, it's so great that we have a doctor who enjoys dressing up when he goes into the past.

There is much to like about it.

It's not perfect, and we'll come to those little niggling annoyances later, but no, I was engaged throughout the entire thing and charmed.

And James.

Oh, look, I think this is my favourite episode of the season so far.

[02:13]

Um, and that's not to say, structurally, it's the best or the, I, it's just so much fun.

I think fun is what sums it up for me.

I was just smiling with glee the entire episode.

Even, even the, the, sort of, more serious bits.

I was like, 0 my god, they're going there.

Or just like, yeah, oh, fantastic, fantastic. really enjoyed it.

Nathan, what about you?

Well, I actually really, really enjoyed it as well.

And I find I found myself falling for all of the episodes intrigues as well.

I'm kind of going, what?

So, no, Ruby's not dead.

Is Ruby dead?

Are we getting another face, the raven moment?

What's happening here?

And all of that sort of stuff?

Like, I just completely fell for it in every way.

And I love romance.

We'll talk about that a little bit later because I think it's super central, but it's a genre that I really enjoy and obviously it works in this sort of historical setting.

And the other thing that I thought was really great was just the artificiality of it, that we have people fighting, like our monsters want to have the best guest role in the show, and that's kind of what they're fighting over.

[03:24]

And the whole thing is designed to create a TV show for our amusement.

It's the thing that the children do.

So I thought it was really fun and funny and clever.

And I thought the romance landed just spectacularly.

Let's talk about Bridgerton.

Has anyone here watched Bridgerton?

Yes.

I confess.

Because I confess I've never actually watched it.

Yeah, not me.

That being said, the current, the current season's trailers have me very intrigued.

So it's just possible despite what she says that Ruby doesn't watch Bridgerton, otherwise she would have recognised Jocelyn from Space Babies. as Queen Charlotte from Regent.

Um, But I have watched Bridgerton and Bridgerton is very much about that, you know, one of the things, one of the things that we said last week, I think, was that we were doing the race thing in episode 5 in space and that it meant we would be unlikely to do it in the Bridgerton episode.

[04:27]

And one of the things that Bridgerton is famous for is, of course, the colourblind casting.

And so we do kind of just do that.

We don't go for a 2nd episode in a row with an all white guest cast and we just let that happen and do other things.

And in fact, it's much more about queerness.

I think that it is about race.

Um, so I think all of that stuff, you know, I've got a lot to say when it comes time to talk about this on flight through entirety, um, because just of the artificiality of the past and the way that it really leans into that and has the characters willingly participating, in creating a dramatic artificial setting, which I think is really fun.

How did we feel about the Chuldor?

Uh, I think they've very effectively realised with the exception of the blue one, which was really distracting me.

No, the blue one.

There was something about it, which made it look like velvet, like that blue head was... was just terribly off-putting for me.

[05:33]

But no, I really liked the idea of them.

Yeah, just wanting to have fun, almost like the eternals, like they're just kind of, um, um, passing the time by by taking over other people's bodies and okay, that person gets killed, but um, they don't really care.

I don't think it was necessary that suddenly everything was heightened towards the end when what they were going to destroy the effectively destroy the entire world.

Yeah.

By the time they finished.

I actually thought that was, not just unnecessary, but I think that actually detracted from the kind of the, what I wanted them to be, which was kind of just much more carefree.

I mean they were going to have fun doing it, weren't they?

They were going to sort of start wars with Portugal and stuff. for fun and maybe be the king.

I think the stakes needed to be high so that Ruby sacrificing herself worked or the doctor refusing to, you know, had to refute, had to stop them, you know.

Yeah, I don't know because that's I think, I mean, the most obvious comparison for me is girl in the fireplace. this episode.

[06:36]

And I think one of the reasons, one of the many reasons I absolutely love that episode is because there isn't actually anything at stake apart from the life of one woman.

And I think if they'd have kept it to that, I think if Ruby had been wanting to sacrifice itself because of the doctor, so the doctor and Rogue can do their thing.

I think that would have been a much more nicer thing rather than because, you know, we're going to go to war with Portugal or the whole world's going to be consumed by this, you know, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, I just don't care about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

What do you think, Brendan?

Yeah, I'm I'm a little I'm a little bit with Simon on this one. you know, I loved I love the design and I think, um, children of 1990 Zelda games and James is going to know what I'm talking about.

We have an aversion to owls who talk too much.

But, uh, I think, I think for me, is it's a bit like in Ghostlight, where Josiah is suddenly, and I'm going to kill Queen Victoria.

Yeah, you don't care.

[07:38]

It's like we're escalating the stakes.

Why?

Shut up.

That's why.

You know, I'm swept along with it.

It doesn't affect my enjoyment.

But yeah, it also, it almost would have been nice if their whole thing was just, no, we're just going to go around and kill people at garden parties.

And maybe maybe, yeah, and maybe you can get rogue going.

Actually, France have got a similar idea right now.

I'm just saying.

Tips the wrong country.

What do you think, Todd?

As a Bridgerton afficionado?

What do you call myself an aficiado?

It was just so much fun and it looked so it was shot so well.

It just, it was just, Glamorous is not the word I want to use.

It was, it just had this feel about it, whether you were inside or outside majestic, and I just was drawn into it, and the performance is not only of the characters in terms of the real characters, like the cold open with that very nasty but hot lord.

[08:40]

And then the lady her, um, what's her name?

Indira, um...

And like, she wasn't a nice person either.

Like, they were actually not, like, it was all this intrigue and, you know, the season and all that sort of stuff, and then they were replaced with people who were determined to even go one step further.

I just, the funness and all of that.

I'm still smiling.

Like, it probably is my, could possibly be my, like I said, eight, but I, you know, You're talking yourself up.

I threw myself up, but I just enjoyed the whole thing.

The last 3 weeks, I've enjoyed all of those episodes, but they've all been either Dr. Light for a reason or, or, um, in the doctor in a particular, in one position.

So we had constraints, whereas this didn't have those constraints.

So I just enjoyed the whole spectacle.

It was a spectacle.

And I have to say that shooty just looked absolutely stunning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think India Obama deserves all of the props because she is unbelievably horrible as Lady Pemberton or whatever she is, Duchess Pemberton.

[09:51]

Um, and then when she's taken over by the bird and she suddenly starts acquiring these sort of birdlike movements, like the way she moves her head.

She's got an alarmingly long neck as well, which she absolutely uses to her advantage.

I just think she's fantastic.

And I think it solves the problem in series one of Torture.

They clearly keep killing Susie because she has foul pest.

They do keep killing Susie, not even in Doctor Who.

Like she, she killed so often.

She killed in everything.

Yeah, no, that was that was so much fun.

Um, And I agree with you, Todd.

It, it, it looks luxe.

And beautiful and I think, you know, that sort of majesticness, um, is bec- probably because they they employed again for the 2nd time this season.

The choreographer from Bridgeton.

Right.

Oh.

[10:51]

Yes, he he choreographed the dancing.

In Devil's Court.

Yeah.

As well.

Yeah, because it's the same director, isn't it?

I did wonder about that actually.

Yeah. interesting.

Can I just say a little slight Bridgerton annoyance that I have?

I mean, I've never I've never watched it, but it is on the list.

We'll get to it eventually.

And I know that it's very much part of the current site, guys.

But I was kind of annoyed that sort of in one line.

We sort of erase 50 or 60 years of quality BBC period drama because it's all about Bridgerton.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the other thing is, I'm very glad that we didn't have a real historical figure in it.

I was hoping that like Jane Austen wasn't actually going to turn up because that would have been really tiresome.

You just thought bath, here she is, bath 1813, where she...

I did I did love the...

I mean, I haven't watched Bridgerton, but Jason does.

And so I do catch bits of it in the background and I did love the, uh, the use of, popular music.

[11:58]

Hmm.

Uh, in it.

Like, you know, like, um, The, like, bad guy by Billie Eilish playing when, when, um, with during the meat cube, or, um, was it poker face?

Yeah, it was. during the fight scene between Ruby and the blue the blue dressed bird.

Emily, thank you.

Blue dressed bit.

So yeah, that because that music is being played by notionally being played by the string quartet in the room, not as incidental music.

Yeah, it was kind of...

That is a feature of Bridgerton.

Like that is a thing that Bridget does.

So, I see.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, there is there's a sense in which this isn't said in any kind of actual, you know, 1813 that ever took place.

It is taking place in a Bridgerton version of that, Brendan.

And it gives us a subtle reprise of the, I didn't realise that was diagetic joke from the devil's chord.

Yeah, yeah.

Just further on the music, though, it is actually interesting because those anachronistic selections of music are right, only arrive later because we start with a hide and string quartet in the in the pre-credit sequence.

[13:08]

And then we have another contemporary work from the Pirul from 1801, 1802, something like that.

When the doctor and Ruby are dancing just straight after the credits.

So it's kind of like you sort of lulled into it that way.

So that's actually very, very interesting choice.

I do have to, just on the music, if I may, absolutely.

I mean, great to have poker face and all that sort of stuff.

But I think when Rogue and the doctor are dancing.

I think, having Piazola's libertango, which is about from 973, I think, is a fantastic choice.

And, you know, the music is just perfect for it.

And I don't know whether, I think a lot of the audience would be probably familiar with the music, like they'll go, oh, that rings a bell without actually knowing what it is.

And so I think that's just a super super choice.

I thought the musical school was fabulous, isn't it?

It drew me in.

It was just another layer to everything.

That was going on.

It added to the elegance, the overall flavour.

Yeah.

Just do, and just to sort of hark on, hark on about the, the sort of the majesty of it, for whatever better word.

It's so great.

We are in a large house.

[14:08]

It's not a set.

We've got lots of extras.

It's populated.

There's proper, proper choreographed dance sequences.

The library that's, that, that, that they go to, um, is, is also large and and, it's wonderful to be dimly lit and and, and glorious like that.

And yet, the external sequences are also, at no point am I thinking, oh, this is all just kind of been pasted together from stuff, or this is a bit of half wall, and we grabbed this from this other program, even if they did.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, well, let's move on very quickly and talk about Millie subplot, which is kind of disposable, really.

So it's basically her and Emily and her interactions with the children.

How do we think Millie was served by this episode?

I liked it because I think that often the Doctor 2 companions do go into a subplot and and it's good to see that rather than just being together all the time.

I do think there was a cheat with it because when Emily grabs her and changes, then we cut to outside and there's a lot of flashing, but then in the flashback, there's very little flashing.

[15:11]

I just felt that was a bit naughty. send us up, send us up the garden parts.

And then I was a bit confused because Emily and the Lord were then having their conversation.

And, and were they just play acting that because they knew she was there or was Emily, was Emily actually Emily at that and then got, like, why go through all of that stuff?

Like, I just, I just kind of, that just stuck.

Is that part of the cosplay?

Yes, that's what I think it is.

I think they're having their great scene together and the fun thing is that they have an audience, you know, she's there watching while they do this incredibly important scene from the romance plot that's being cosplayed in this episode.

So I think it does play with that.

Okay, because I loved her, all her clumsy stuff there.

She might be very much of Joe Grant quite frankly, and I just thought she did a wonderful job.

Yes, yes.

Good comparison.

I also liked the sort of hiding in plain sight, the solution.

You know, don't set them into battle mode, which is a throwaway line at the beginning of the episode.

And then it's the way you solve the, oh, how the hell did you get out of that?

[16:16]

They do a good job there too, of setting up the rules of the triform in the other plot.

So we get to see that in operation before we get to see it play a major part in the episode.

And, you know, nothing just sort of comes out of nowhere.

It is all very carefully structured, I think.

Yes, and that that old law of conservation of information.

Yes, the fact that, you know, why do I know how to dance?

Oh, it's because of the earrings, which is actually at the time when I'm watching that.

I was like, oh, we don't care.

I don't care how she knows I did that.

She just does.

You know, I'm sick of the explanation, but yeah, the payoff is the earrings.

Although do we really need that anyway?

Whatever.

Yeah.

Something I really loved about Millie this week is she's really showing her comedy chops because there's several, there's several times when things are happening around her and she's just kind of doing sort of pointing and faces like, do I go over, this is so awkward.

Oh, wait, I'm not watching this as a TV show.

I need to go over there.

And just, there are actors and comedians who have, you know, trained years to do that, and it's so easy to forget that Millie is 18.

[17:23]

You know?

And yes, she's been acting for years, but just her level of at times subtlety and at times broadness, she pitches it perfectly.

And I was so impressed and especially like the battle mode scene where she's surprised by what she's doing.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, let's talk about the romance.

For me, this is really something where you have one night where the doctor meets a handsome stranger, they fight monsters together.

They exchange, you know, they talk to one another about how much they've lost, and then he disappears from his life forever.

And I thought that that just was a great structure.

And it's something that Doctor Who hasn't done.

I mean, we've had River, we've had Jack, sort of.

But this, I think, is something quite different from that.

How do we feel about Jonathan Groff, Simon?

[18:26]

At the risk of flexing that I just saw him on Broadway in Merrily we Roll along.

This is what we are.

This is...

You dropped this.

The performance was actually remarkably similar to the one I just saw on stake in that he was very, you just know, and just in terms of the fact that he was very still, and also he was very underplayed compared with everything else going on around him.

And I really like him as an actor.

I think he's great.

I am questioning whether there is a fine line between being understated and being flat and I'm not 100% sure that he's not just sometimes flat because he's trying to be still, he's trying to be obviously suave and cool and everything, but not in an annoying way.

And I think contrasted with shooting and contrasted with all the other heightened performances which are going on around him.

It is a little bit out of place.

Having said that, you know, he's great and he certainly does know what he's doing.

I wouldn't dare to question the choices.

[19:27]

See, I think he's a shy nerd.

You know, who secretly loves Kylie and plays Dungeons and Dragons and named himself after the rogue class.

And so we expected him to be Jack and we're kind of fooled into that because we get the scene from the empty child only instead of someone taking the companion to their spaceship.

He takes the doctor to the spaceship.

And it is exactly that scene, isn't it?

But he's lonely and he's on his own and he's he's charmed by the doctor, but he's also very quiet and nerdy.

He's not the loud suave guy that Jack is at all.

So he's Henry Cavell is what you're saying.

He wishes.

No, he can act.

Sorry, Brendan.

Yeah, I was going to say it's bad.

Don't be rude to Jonathan Groff.

[20:27]

Yeah, I found, I found their chemistry rather wonderful and um, something I said to um, uh, friend of the podcast this week and it was either Bob or Alex, so if you're listening, Lads High, um, was, I think the doctor sees his pain, his past pain in rogue.

And in the doctor, Rogue sees someone he'd like to be more like because he's a bounty hunter.

But It's not like a blood sport.

And you know, I think this interpretation of the word bounty hunter is very informed by the Mandalorian, another Disney Plus property. in that this is an honourable figure who is interested in protecting the lives of innocence, and that's why he does what he does, but is also deeply lonely.

And I think the doctor recognises that.

I agree with you, Brendan, on this.

I kind of think there is this connection between them which slowly builds because the doctor sees certain things in rogue and then rogue sees certain things in the doctor.

[21:34]

So as it goes along through all that Kylie stuff, that's slowly building.

And I actually think it goes at a pretty, well, I think it goes at a good pace, you know, and I actually see, you know, all the stuff in the TARDIS and the little flirting there and the almost kissing and all that.

I just, I just love the way in which you'd sort of built and I actually thought they had a good chemistry.

And I think, um, Simon Wright, you're right.

Like he certainly underplayed it more, but there were certain times where you could see he wanted to.

You know, he wanted to give more, you know, and he's obviously gone through a lot of pain and and I just bought, you know, when he went down on his knee with the ring in that scene.

I almost lost it, like, you know, and then, and then at the end, you know, with the kiss and his sacrifice.

I mean, I bought the whole thing.

I was just swept away in the romance of it all.

I mean, I don't want to...

This is Dizzy's performance because I think he's very good.

It's just that I couldn't help thinking, as you're saying, Nathan, the kind of the shy nerd.

I kind of, I just wanted to see that that being a little bit more visible in his performance than it was.

That's all.

I just, and it's just partly because of the, the, the kind of level of performance of everything else around him. need to be the population. more, don't you, in Doctor Who?

[22:43]

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, I mean, he's so charming.

The 2 of them are so attractive.

And, you know, like instantly even up on the balcony, they're kind of flirting and having fun with one another.

And the doctor like dancing and like lip syncing to Kylie in the sort of incredibly kind of sexy way.

And, you know, I don't know.

We've had the doctor fall in love with someone in an episode before, we mentioned girl in the fireplace, and maybe this is something for flights through entirety, but I remember that Paul Cornell when he made John Smith fall in love with Joan Redford, one of the things that he said to us in the book was that, he made the doctor straight and that was a thing that meant that something had been lost because Doctor Who had a gay fandom and one of the reasons it had a gay fandom was that the doctor travelled with these beautiful women but wasn't really particularly interested in them.

[23:45]

He wasn't a normal romantic hero and we could kind of insert ourselves in there.

Do you know what I mean?

We could identify with that in some way.

And by making him heterosexual, I think we do open the character up, make him more interesting, give him the chance to be involved in romance and things.

And so now this is us being represented as well in the character of the doctor.

And I thought it was pretty, it was pretty amazing actually.

And the fake, the faint with that, they're gonna kiss, but they don't, because the thing dings, and you sort of think, oh, well, they're not gonna kiss then.

That's done.

And of course, the highlight.

Um, you know, that the big kiss at the end, which is so wonderful.

Uh, you know, I just...

Ruby's reaction.

Yeah, yeah.

Even though she's about to be sent to a barren dimension somewhere.

The warmth and generosity there at the end, like in that moment and then making the doctor hug it out.

[24:47]

Yeah.

You know, it's her performance as that character, I really, really love those aspects.

I think, though, there's a difference between the way this is done and the way say girl in the fireplace is done or any of the other, like the river and so on.

The, the, the, the kind of the, the falling in love aspects.

He really falls into an emotional love with Madame de Pompadour in that.

This, I think, is different because it is, and certainly with River as well.

It's an intellectual and emotional attachment and love.

With this, I think this is the 1st time you get the concept of the doctor being a sexual being because there is a bit more of an animalistic desire that I think we're seeing there, in the passion of the kiss and and also the way the doctor is flirting with rogue, very, very actively, like, whereas with River and Madame de Pompadour, he's being, doctors being courted by them, really.

[25:49]

Whereas in this case, the doctor is at least an equal partner, if not, he's the one almost making the moves on rogue.

And I think that is a different way of doing it.

Now, I do subscribe to that kind of whilst I love girl in the fireplace.

I love human nature, et cetera, et cetera.

And I love the relationship with the river.

I still always default to the fact that, you know, I still like that doctor.

Not so much being an asexual being, but it's just something that we just don't really deal with.

And I think it's okay for it to be done like very sparingly, and I get that it's part of what you need to do in the modern era, but I query where there's some of the discomfort that some people have had with that has not been around that I've read online, has not been around the gayness of it per se, but about the doctor being a more sexual being.

And I don't think the doctor's necessarily straight for human nature.

He's neither straight nor gain nor b nor anything.

He's kind of, because he's an alien, it's, it's, it, it may be, maybe he has different sexualities depending on the regeneration or maybe he's always got all sexualities.

[26:49]

Who knows?

It's just that ability to be able to read your own, your own vision, your own interpretation into different aspects of the program.

And I think we should always, the program should always aspire to be able to be open to all those interpretations simultaneously.

I think, though, that the, while they are both sexy men and while they are flirting with one another, it's, um, the kneeling down, which is so romantic, where he kneels and gives him like that, it's incredibly romantic, the moment where they open up and they see the loss that each of them is experienced, you know, like there is an emotional level.

It isn't just about sex.

And I do think, yeah, I think that, you know, there's a reason, you know, certainly there are people who prefer the show where the doctor isn't, um, uh, you know, isn't involved in romances.

The doctor doesn't dance.

Yeah, my feeling, though, is that there are people leaping online to complain about girl in the fireplace. and I think that their complaints are fairly, clearly motivated for one thing.

[27:58]

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I do think, like, I do think this is adorably romantic.

And I think you're right, Simon. he's never said to be straight, we've never had him, you know, given a label and even now we haven't, you know, but we did see him in a lot of mixed sex relationships.

We've seen him in lots of heterosexual relationships and I think Moffatt constructs him as a straight man because Moffatt has things to say about, um, about men and women and the relationships between them.

And all of that is really good and I enjoyed all of that stuff at the time.

But actually seeing him kiss a man in a way that we haven't seen before.

And, you know, he doesn't kiss Jack, Jack kisses him.

I think it's it matters.

And it's not a it's not a romantic kiss with Jack.

No.

Also, the idea of doing a queer romance came from the writers, not from Russell.

Yeah.

They actually suggested it to him.

The funny thing is that Kate Heron directed an executive produced the 1st season of Loki, and Russell said that saying that Loki was bisexual was just absolute cheap representation because they never showed anything.

[29:11]

You can put the word bisexual, you can type it into your script and it costs you absolutely nothing at all.

And so when he hires her, she says, all right, you know, I'm doing it and he's going to be kissing a man.

I think that's pretty great.

I also think, like, you know, with the bi-regeneration thing, is that a lot of the baggage of the doctor has gone, and we've seen him in shooting that is much more emotional.

Like he's crying so much.

Like again, at the end of the episode, there are tears, and I think that allows him to be more open to actually take the lead in being the romantic lead.

And I mean, if you look at the, and going back to what Simon's saying, like, you know, in the original series run, the doctor was very asexual.

In the next generation from 2004 to 2022, a lot of people instigated the romance on him.

Here, he is, this is now a different series, series, season one or series one again.

So it's it is a new way of interpreting the doctor and I'm all for it, you know?

I'm all forward. all for it as a one-off, certainly.

[30:11]

But, you know, are you going to do it every week?

No, you're not.

But it's nice to see a difference from what has happened before, you know?

And representation certainly in the way it's been done.

You better find him though.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right.

I think we're going to wind it up there.

We've got some things to plug, untitled Star Trek Project is on, obviously, every Friday, and I can't even remember what our next episode is, but I'm sure it's lovely.

We're a few weeks ahead.

Startling Barbara Bain, I think, is probably recording next week.

If you don't know about it, it's our Space 1999 commentary podcast, which is pretty fun and is about to drop its 6th episode.

Brendan, what do you want to plug?

Before I plug, I just want to say, um, if you enjoyed uh, the doctor inadvertently getting a marriage proposal and a companion almost being married off against their will, not to mention the doctor's actions inadvertently almost leading to the death of a companion, you might enjoy Doctor Who, the Aztecs.

[31:17]

Oh, this is your link to this is my link.

This is my link.

And as I as I wasn't on last week, I can say last week's link to the keys of Baroness is that we have a global computer controlling how people think and feel.

And a set of monsters where you're like, maybe they've got a point.

And at the end, our sort of vapid blonde hero goes up and says, yeah, I'll be fine as she walks towards an acid C.

Brilliant.

What's up to the Aztecs?

The sensor rights.

So I'll be interested to see how it helps.

A legend of Ruby Sunday. measures up to the sensorize.

But yes, in terms of what I have to plug, the BJBJ game show will be back next week with the tourist, and after that, we are playing the Talos principal, and also back next week is the three-handed game where we are going into the new Avengers to start off the cool war with to catch a rat.

[32:20]

Brilliant.

All right, in that case, until next time, I've been boarding up all the doors and windows here, so Susan Twist can't get in, so that might be something you might want to consider.

Thank you very much for listening and good night.

Good night.

Ta-ta.

Bye-bye.

See you soon.