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Dot and Bubble

Season 1, Episode 5. First broadcast on Saturday 1 June 2024.

Episode 8 · Sunday 2 June 2024.

This week, a number of affluent white people in pastel clothes get eaten by giant slugs, in a way that it’s hard to object to too strenuously. But does this episode have things to say about us as well?

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 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flashcast, which will be right with you as soon as our Apple Vision Pro has finished booting up. I'm Nathan. I'm Peter September. I'm Simon October. And I'm Todd. Just Todd. Just Todd. Those things are gonna start eating you all in alphabetical order can just see it happening. We deserve it. get me 1st because of my last name. But if you change your last name, Todd, to like Zod or something you last Gothic Todd. All right. So how are our general opinions of this one? There seems to have been sort of a bit divisive in fandom, like basically all of them so far. I have to say that I had fun, although I also have to admit that it took me much longer than I think it probably ought to have to work out what on earth was going on. But we will get to that a little bit later. What did you think of it, Simon? I quite liked it. I loved the visual style. I loved the way the whole thing or most of it was told through basically a series of screens in front of Lindy in total social media world. So I was really on board with just doing something differently. And I know there are other comments which are made in the episode but I think the commentary about social media and our social media bubble is, I think, a very, very powerful and relevant one. What do you think, Peter? Hmm, Dot and bubble. Sadly, it wasn't the EastEnders abfab crossover that I've been waiting for. I did enjoy it. The episode was entertaining for the most part. It had some nice ideas in it. I like when Doctor Who goes a bit out there without being open quote bonkers, close quote. I like the macrterra, I like gridlock. Um, I love the Sunmakers. I adore the happiness patrol. This is very much in their cast, and so I'm genetically predisposed to like this. And I did, in some ways, not in all ways. And Todd. I didn't think I was going to like it, but as it went along, I liked it more and more. And as Simon said, the visual, I love the visuals, like all the colours, the bright colours, the bright colours, the light blue and the yellow and that. Yeah, I like that palette. I, um, yeah, it's all it's all pastels, isn't it? It's really very well done because it is kind of funny seeing, like those sort of weird Doctor Who's are kind of associated with the 60s and maybe gridlock, maybe the end of the world sort of, but it's kind of the 1st time that we've seen anything quite as weird as the happiness patrol. Or I was also thinking Paradise Towers as well. You know, where characters have their own kind of dialect, their way of speaking, they have a weird way of being named. And now seeing that done now with sort of modern production sensibilities, even just that opening scene in Lindy's flat, where her flat looks amazing, and then you look out the window and you see, you know, all of these, like the bubble keeps recurring as part of a design element, the whole place is in a bubble. But there's, you know, round portholes round things out the window all of the windows around. Like, everything is kind of of a piece, I think. And it looks really good. Apparently, a lot of the location stuff was at the University of Swansea, which is kind of hilarious. Um, but I just think it looked... just apt. But I just think it looked amazing. I mean, it really did look quite extraordinary. What I what I feared was that it was just going to be a Aunt Gen Z dumb with their phones and stuff. And I thought, that would be so boring. That would be so boring. And it looks like it's going to be that and then it takes a kind of sharp turn, which I thought was pretty interesting. So how do we feel that satire landed? I thought it was kind of obvious. It's like a lot of this season. It's been fairly obvious. It was low hanging fruits. I did enjoy it. It didn't feel that the story was developed. It was developed one step away from our earth here and what we live and live in society, which is what talk to has always done. I felt it could have been taken another step further so that this satire wasn't quite so on the nose, but I did enjoy it. Simon? Yeah, I mean, I'd agree with that sentiment. I mean, it's subtlety is not generally one of RTD strong points but then, you know, often it is in the program more broadly anyway I'll admit to that. But I suppose because I go in with those expectations, I was able to enjoy it. And I think that I think it's able to satire multiple things at once and comment on multiple things at once. And I think I think there is a little bit of the gen Z, uh, you know, don't like to turn up to work because they don't feel like you know, that kind of whole kind of cliche that, that, that we have. I think that's a thing too and why not? I think it's as much that the satire is as much about having having people, you know, living in your bubble and not necessarily even a social media bubble, but like the bubble that we all are kind of living in. And I know there are other reasons for the rejection of the doctor and Millie, but nevertheless, I think it's also about the fact that you're not part of our tribe, so you don't belong with us. So I think, I think there are actually, surprisingly, there are actually a lot more things going on in this than you think there are when you've, you know, 5 or 10 minutes in. What I appreciated about it was the commentary on a generational bubble as well, because more and more, you know, we saw it in things like the Brexit vote in the UK, we see it in politics all the time now. There's an incredible generational gap between how young people think that they're being served by society and politics and how older people were and how they think about that together. And it's creating a lot of friction between generations which never existed maybe 30 years ago. So I appreciated that commentary. Although it's interesting there, Peter, because the political thing. I mean, they're not, these guys are not resentful of their parents. Their parents have paid for them to be in this place. It is showing the generational bubble in one regard, but not in a kind of a divisive way. We's not actually saying, well, you know, we're on this side, and the old people don't know what they're talking about, and they're over that side, which I think probably would have more gone in that direction. if that's what they were wanting to do. Well, I was one of the elements of the satire that I actually thought worked. I didn't want that addressed on the nosed, but the fact that they'd kind of segregated the old and the young people and then the young people lived in their social media bubble while not being able to afford their own round windowed flats because their parents had to provide it for them because they had the money. And then having the older generation actually eaten by slugs just leaving the younger generation defender for themselves. That was satire that I was on board with. Yeah, so I think old people have plagued our fragile earth for far too long. Todd. My husband likes to watch reality television shows, and some of them are quite good, and others, I've sat through like Paris in love with Paris Hilton. And I have to say, like, I mean, did she get eaten by a slug? Well, no. wishing she would be. Well, yes, I sat there at times going, this woman is so vacuous. And then she would show glimpses, actually, of humanity, and you actually think there's more there. And then in a 2nd she suddenly would do something which I go, well no, it's not there at all. And she's got all these followers for unknown reasons. So the 1st 10 minutes for me was like, I'm watching some sort of parody of that happening. I'm going, I don't want to know these people. I don't want to know this. Please just let it end. So, and rewatching it today. It was actually quite interesting watching it from that perspective, really, but I just want to say Paris Hilton is not racist in case anybody's thinking that she actually isn't, but that we know of. It's just, I just thought it was a satire of that he was obviously watched her show. Todd, I'm interested. Did Ash watch it with you and what did he think? Um, he didn't really like it that much. No. Like, um, yeah, it wasn't for him. He said it wasn't, he didn't like her in particular, but we did both laugh when she walked into that poll. Let's just... Talk about things that are done unsubtly, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that's another lift from Moffat, I think. RTD's doing a lot of that. I certainly think the discovery that people are being eaten alphabetically is pure Moffat. And apparently this will... Certainly moth at if it's Moth at and Davies in the same program. Well, I think that's it. And they are in the same room because I think this is pitched. This was originally pitched by Davey's tomb Moffat during the Moffat era and the Moffat was involved in the, you know, talking conversations, developing it now that it's actually kind of, you know, just technically possible to actually achieve it in a satisfactory way. I was thinking, Todd. In fact, Ruby notices exactly that thing. Doesn't she say this is like Planet Love Island or something? Like she thinks that this is exactly like one of those reality TV shows where everyone has their followers and everyone's sort of being lovely and being influencers and talking about their clothes and all of that sort of thing. Um, so, so the thing, the thing that I didn't spot straight away is that everyone's white. And that is something that obviously other people noticed immediately. And I have to, in my defence, say at least on this week's episode of Untitled Star Trek project, I bitch about how white everyone is in the car. So sometimes that's something I notice. I didn't notice it this time. I was a little bit distracted, possibly by just how queer everyone looked. But nevertheless, you know, there's a way in which the episode critiques you, because the 2nd watch through. Obviously, you see that Lindy is mean to both Ruby and the doctor but she is mean to them in a different way. When the doctrine and Ruby appear in the group chat. All of these sort of people who are just, you know, they're just kind of featured actors. They're talking, they only get a few lines each episode. Do you know what I mean? They'd have been in for a couple of hours just shooting against a wall sort of thing. But they're all desperately doing their disgusted acting when the doctor speaks and, you know, being discussed at being in the same group, chatters him and all of that's sort of quite clear. And then, of course, we get Lindy meeting a white version of the doctor, who she is much nicer to up until the point where she obviously gets him killed. But she reacts much better to white Doctor Who than she does to uh than she does to our doctor. No, no, but the reason she possibly, but the reason she reacts so positively to Ricky September is because of the fact that she is following him, she is a fan of his. So he is already someone who her group has decided is fabulous and acceptable. And just going back on the race thing. It's funny because I, I, well, sometimes when I'm watching shows like, well, any show, really, and I noticed something like that and about halfway through, I realised that, oh, everyone's actually white in this, and my brain 1st, the 1st thing my brain goes to is that was a strange mistake that they've made. Do you know what I mean? I just immediately think it's a production mistake and they've suddenly gotten to the editing and going, oh my gosh, we haven't actually gotten any people of colour in this. But, and then it's only kind of at the end that I realised, oh actually, no, it's actually, they're actually making a point. But as I said before, I don't think it's just about race. It's also about who part of the disgust that she has with at the doctor and because it is also with Millie as well, is because they are not, they haven't been pre-approved effectively to be part of their group. I think it works on a racial level and also works on that other level too. Sure. And you're not allowed to be one of us. You're not allowed to be one of us. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she is dismissive of Ruby, but when the doctor appears 1st on her screen, he's surrounded by like warnings and stuff in a way that Ruby Sunday isn't. She blocks him immediately. When the next black guy turns up. She just thinks it's another black guy because they all look the same. I mean, she says all of this sort of stuff. It is all very clearly there. And I do think that the, um, the Ricky September stuff is played exactly like the doctor meeting a companion for the 1st time with that handholding, the, I'm going to save you. I'll get you out of this. All of that stuff. He's a doctor. And she reacts well to this doctor. And, you know, like, I think, yes, she knows him and fancies him and stuff like that, but also, I think, you know, within the story. There's a very clear reason why he's portrayed like that, I think. I also thought there was an interesting commentary there on social media followers, relationship with the people that they follow, and that all that they, all that you get when you have the big fandom who follows a celebrity on TikTok or whatever, is they get what is given to them to be digested. And you get this feeling that if ever they met in real life and they didn't live up to this, um, hopelessly inflated view of what they were, um, that the fandom could turn on them in an instant. And I kind of, I got that from this episode that, you know, love and hate in social media is such a finely balanced thing that it's very easy to be cancelled for just not being what someone ideally expects you to be. Yes, and the judgement is summarial. It's so fast, it just happens. Yes, and it's gone from 100% love to 100% hate gone. But when he turns out to be quite different from what she expected with all of his, you know, like I can walk and I read books and you know, I know about history and stuff. That's not the thing. I can do all that. Yeah, I can sometimes do it. Um, but, but, um, it's, it's when her life is threatened. You know, the 2nd her life is threatened, she is such a piece of work, she is such an absolutely appalling person that she just throws him to the walls immediately. And so I don't think he's cancelled in any kind of sense. It's just that she is so awful. She's so fabulously horrible as a person. Did you find, though, that when I was waiting for the moment, like I don't know, 15, 20 minutes in, you're waiting for her to actually get a grip and start to do what Millie's saying and start to take the doctor away and not just completely be fulfall to pieces. And then it took me a while to realise, oh, actually, no, she's actually never going to get a grip. That's the whole point is she's just she's just totally hopeless at everything and even, you know, can't even walk and that kind of crap, which is probably a bit over the top, but, you know, I get the point that's trying to be made. Having watched Paris in love. That's not too far from reality. I mean, she can do I'm out of touch. Obviously walk, but you know, there's other things which I kind of think, 0 my goodness, didn't your mother ever teach you how to do that? Even her husband says that. I thought she was, I sucked in because I actually thought every, oh I'll give her the benefit of the doubt every, every time she did something hopeless and then, oh no, she's having a rethink, she'll get there in the end, she'll get there in the end. I've written off Ricky as one of those foolish people on the in the bubble. And so it was very refreshing when he came into it and thought, oh wonderful. And now she'll get a grip, but she was just a truly awful person unbelievable. That moment where she just says, oh, his last name's Coombs or something is just so brutal. She's really, really awful in every way, and she is horrible to Ruby, but she's really, really quite horrible to the doctor. Just awful. Um, and it is that sort of thing where you're kind of one of the things that the episode does, I think, is that her poor behaviour is the sort of thing that we could just sort of dismiss. But I think there were people watching this and I've, you know gone online and stuff. People watching this kind of going, oh yeah, she's super racist. Like almost immediately, because it's that kind of that just the sort of things that she says are the sort of things that people kind of encounter on a regular basis. And so what we regarded as sort of, you know, this is a horrible person. And, you know, like I don't think anyone, anyone watching it wasn't enjoying the spectacle of all of these white people being eaten by slugs. you know what I mean? even if we weren't thinking of it in those terms. But I think that some people had a head start in recognising kind of what what sort of behaviour was being depicted from Lindy, I think. White people being eaten by slugs. It's like the sequel to Frontios, we know that... Or potentially Arc in Spain. I was so hoping they were going to be tractators or whatever the hell, what's... What's messed up? Gastropol, yes. I thought I bet they're going to be gastropods. They're really funny too. Aren't they wonderful? Like, the thing where she leaps across. at the guy next to her in the office and he's got the tartan trousers that are kind of sticking out of this thing. The production team called the man traps. Apparently. Right. I will say that it is a nod to the classic ear of the program that you do have these very slow moving things, which people kind of seem incapable of getting away from. And in fact, and in fact, when they've been, when they've been slightly touched by them, they can't even kind of back away, they kind of, you know, it's like dealing with a monotra or something like the way they, they kind of... They kind of allow themselves. It's that kind of acting where you've got to pretend that you're actually being overwhelmed by this piece of CGI. Yes, that telephone cord is wrapping around you, not the other way around. Yes, exactly. By the modern standards. I don't feel that they're overly successful, I confess. I thought they were wonderful. Yeah, yeah. People can't walk away from them because they can't walk. Do you know what I mean? Like they're absolutely paddle to the slaughter when it comes to this. I think, you know, they're very perfunctory. It is that thing, you know, your dot has been watching you all for so long that it just hates you and it designs to conjure up a whole bunch of slugs. So I wonders why the dot doesn't just like pulverise your head like it goes to me. Yeah, given that it can fly right into your head. It's right in front of your head and it's just... It didn't think of that till later as my aggressive dot. Well, it's a bit of a red herring, really. Yeah, it's a red herring. Yeah, because like I thought, oh, they've invaded and it's the slow invasion of the slugs or whatever and they don't seem because they're in the dots. So it sends you off on a different path, depending on where you're looking. Yeah, you're already given the idea that somehow they've breached the thing and they're from the outside is kind of, I think, you know, what you're meant to think. You don't think it's a commentary on, you know, the fact that the dots, the dots been listening to you and decided that it doesn't like you. It's no commentary on Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg or something deciding that they don't like, everyone who uses their platforms. Well, do you know, one of the things is, one of the things that I think about social media is that there's a big kind of social media, moral panic at the moment about social media being bad for children and we have, you know, the federal government here wanting to ban social media for people under 16 instead of perhaps suggesting that people could do some parenting for a change. And I think that that is a moral panic, and I think that the danger posed by social media isn't that you're going to, you know be contacted by a paedophile. It isn't that you're going to forget how to walk and you're going to bump into things because you're so wrapped up in your phone. The danger is the social media algorithms, that foreground, just alt right opinions, that you're watching a video about Doctor Who and the next video that YouTube suggests is, and here's what a Nazi thing's about, Doctor Who. And I think that children being radicalised online by that sort of material is a much more present danger and kind of that's what we have. You've got a social bubble that Lindy belongs to, that consists entirely of white people who get annoyed if a black person turns up and starts talking to them. So I think that's there, I think, as an idea, you know, the particular bubble that's portrayed here is that sort of bubble. Yeah, I mean, it's not the, it's not the social media per se. It's the way the algorithms work now, which is, is, is, but also has made it from, I mean, we're getting off topic here, but from my point of view, with social media, how much, how less I interact with it, and partly because people are interacting with me less because of course, you scroll through Facebook or Twitter, and it's just all these other stuff, rather than it being what it used to be, which is just basically a reverse timeline of what whoever's posted, whatever in, in, from present, back into the distant past, you know. And so it's been because the content's being curated for us. And I don't think it's necessarily because they want to turn us all into neo-Nazis. It's because they know that that video of the Nazi reaction, Doctor Who, whatever it is, is going to get a reaction out of us that's going to get more engagement. So it's not an actual ideological thing. It's actually purely driven by how many clicks, how many interactions will this get? Anyway, that's a very long topic for a different time. Well, for flight through entirety. It's like when you go onto YouTube and you watch like a travel video, you know, someone who does plane journeys and reports back on what the soft product is like and all that kind of thing. They will always head it up with my my really nasty review of this terrible product and you'll see that it gets 10 times the views of anything else. And so people do it all the time, even when it's not that. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's talk about the fact that we have our 2nd Dr. Light episode in a row. This is not quite as light as last week, and clearly they did what they did in blink, which is just have the doctor stand against a wall and then they could film him at one camera angle and get a lot of material in in a very short amount of time and then just give him more. And he's actually won a scene. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I do think it was unfortunate that 25% of Shooty's 1st season is Dr. Light. I understand completely the reasons for this. It's just a shame that they couldn't scheduled their way out of it. Exactly. I think that's very unfortunate. But look, I think it works. Look, any of these episodes are perfectly fine. It's just a shame that you've got them consecutively. And I mean, even going back to Boom, which I know is not a Dr Light episode, obviously, but in another way, it's a, let's just have shooty in this one set. And do the whole thing. And so now looking at that retrospectively, it's quite clearly part of that broader problem that they had. Look, I think that, yeah, I totally agree with you. I do like the fact that as the episode went on, Ruby and the doctor were there more and more. So it's sort of built towards the end, which is probably why I liked it more as it went along as they were really interacting and being in the space with, with, with Findy. So, um, yeah, totally understand why they had to do it. I've heard it said that it wouldn't be such a big deal if this was like a 13 episode season, but if there's any eight. That's a little bit unfortunate. Sorry, Nathan. No, no, I agree. I think, Eric, friend of the podcast, Eric Stadnick, said that one of the features of the previous Russell seasons is that they're actually very carefully done. They're carefully organised. You have, you know, a sort of lighter episode on Earth in the present day. You go to the past, you go to the future. You have a two-parter with a returning monster that's generally light. You have one or 2 things. You have the darker two-parter towards the end. Do you know what I mean? Like every season is sort of constructed in a, in a way, uh, that allows a kind of buildup and variety and all of that sort of thing. And this where, um, you know, we've got dialogue suggesting in episode 2 or 3, depending on how you count it, in the devil's court, that Ruby's been with a doctor for 6 months, then the following episode we hear that this is her 1st alien planet. You know, it looks like boom was originally earlier in the schedules that something has happened, and now you have 2 consecutive episodes, where I think that perhaps it would have been less of a problem had those been separated in the running order in some way. So something has happened here, I think, and we're not seeing the episodes in the order, they were originally intended, I think. I mean, the flavour of Doc 2 always carries you forward. It always compensates for the absence of the doctor. And I think they've gotten used to during these doctor light episodes, casting an actor who's capable of leading the show in the doctor's absence. So Elton in love and monsters or, of course, Sally Sparrow in Blink. And I think here was another case of that. It is just, as you say, unfortunate that we've had 2 in a row. I feel like I was still getting to know this doctor and I don't want his absence. I want him on screen front and centre. And so when he comes back in that last scene and is front and centre and does a good job. You think, yeah, this is what I wanted all along. Everything else was okay, but I want this. Yeah, I entirely agree. Yeah. What do you, what do we think of the final scene? Look, I think it wraps it up. Well, it ties up, ties it all up in a good bow, what we think we've been watching, you know, have we been watching this, right? And so, but I like the fact that it's not completely explicit. And I do notice out there that there are some people who haven't actually picked up on that aspect, the racial aspect of it at all. Having said that, I still maintain that it's not just about the racial aspect and I think the reason why the doctor is crying at the end is not because his feelings have been hurt. It's because of the fact that he feels so utterly sorry for these people who are quite evidently sailing to their deaths, whether it's in an hour or tomorrow, next week. The point is, the sense is these people are just refusing to listen and just sailing off anyway, and he is so he is so frustrated and sad by that fact that they're letting their prejudices in all their forms completely throw out means that they throw away their future. Torn. Again, I think should he did a wonderful job in that scene displaying a huge range of emotions. But the other person who I was really very impressed with was Millie. And I think that builds from last week where I really got to like her a lot, like really, really like her. And just her reactions to him in that scene. And even earlier when with the whole Ricky September thing, which is the most hilarious thing, when they're, you know, hands off or whatever they say, or he's hot or whatever, and then she goes very quiet and the doctor's really engaged and you look at her, she's like, oh, you know, really into it. But again, in this scene, there's a real chemistry, I think between them and her reaction to the doctor and how he's reacting is wonderful. So, yeah, I really liked that last thing from both of them. It's almost like she kind of understands what's going on before he does and like she knows what his reaction is about. You know. Yeah, she's realised, she's realised just before he has, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she puts her hand on him and stuff and she's crying as well. It's really properly good. I think she's great. And shooty, of course, you know, just who goes through these range for motions and there's you, the closer before he does or says anything where he's quivering, you know, like it's, it's really terribly good. I think he's he's great. The comparison I wanted to make a 2 to that with that end with the people going off to their death is the kind of mentality you see in that film, don't look it up. Um, with Meryl Streep as the president, we're basically there. I mean, again, it's a farce. It's ridiculous. But it's that thing where despite the fact that we know that this asteroid is coming to obliterate the earth, we've all just agreed that we're just going to pretend it's not happening. And we're going to deny the reality of it. And I think there's almost it's that same commentary, I think. The other thing that I think Dot and Bubble does actually do quite well, and I think we've sort of all obliquely suggested it today was around those, what you might call the sort of the casual remarks, the casual racism, because it's not, it's not like, you know, um, it's not like Lindy says, uh, right from the get go, get out of my feed, you're black. It's all the other commentaries. she doesn't actually say that. And it's fascinating and we are all 4 of us white men of a certain age who aren't used to that sort of just very casual, very, and sometimes quite subtle ways that things are expressed to you. And I think actually this episode did actually make some attempt. Maybe successfully, maybe unsuccessfully, but certainly made an attempt to demonstrate that to us. It's also that generational kind of racism that you get where you might get someone who's 80 years old who says, I'm not a racist and would declare that and yet they just don't feel comfortable around people of different racism. they'll cross the they'll cross to the other side of the street or they'll, you know, et cetera. Or as long as the person in question is on their best behaviour. It's all good, but as soon as there's one character floor or something that they don't like that opens the floodgates to everything else. And yet this person would declare that they are not racist and everything's fine. Exactly. Just going back to the social media aspect with the ages because they're supposed to be, what, between 18 and 27 or something? 17 and 27, right. I thought it was funny, like, because we've all got their ages there, but I think the casting agent really needs to kind of think about this a bit more because if Ricky September is 27, then I'm then I'm 35. Actually, 39. I thought I thought he was actually in that age group. It was the other guy at the end with the longer hair. The long hair, the one who's decided he's going to be leader. Looked older than that. But I am glad that I'm 10 years younger than MVP Susan Twist. She's back. Well, both the weathercaster and Dr. P were older than 27, but they might have been computer generated. I think Dr. P is a computer generation, but God, there is something wrong with that man's face. The teeth. I just thought that that had... He's been artificially enhanced in some form. It's so great. So good. All right, well, we do have season twist. We have next week to look forward to, which is called Rogue, which will be exciting, which I don't think is by Russell. Is that right? That's right. Different writers. In fact, I actually think it's really interesting that before they do their Bridgerton episode with the strange approach to race that Bridgerton has that, like, we never knew if they were going to go there with a black doctor. They went there with Martha. They went there with Bill. Were they ever going to do an episode where the doctor experienced racism? And, you know, like if you're going to have a cast, a black actor you know, that's a thing that you should probably do. But it's funny that we do it in the future episode before going back to the past where I think maybe we were wondering how that would play out. But has everyone seen the trailer? Well, I've only seen the next time, if that's what you mean. Yeah, so the fact that they all appear to be owls, really, probably means that the racial politics thing takes us. secondary role. I think the racial politics thing, which is one of the reasons why I think Rosa is a bit unfortunate is because I think when you do trying to go back to tackle racism in the past, It is so horrifically awful with people being lynched, et cetera, that it's just something the show shouldn't really be touching. So I think it's better if you are going to do the racism thing to do it in the context of what we have done in dock and bubble and do it in this pretend future. Do you know what I mean? And when you do go back to the past, when you do go back to the past, you kind of just pretend it's actually not a thing. Do you know what I mean? To be our agree, because if you go back to the past, not equipped to deal with that. Yeah, it's just too awful. You can't do that. Yeah, I think that there's a limit to what you can do. I mean, I do think that what we did with Martha and what we did with Bill, where we just had people expressing racist sentiments and either being punished for that or not being punished for it you would be kind of wondering where all that was. But yes, like the full extent of that. It's the same reason that when Hitler turns up in the show you have to put him in a cupboard. You, you know, the show can't quite deal with that. Well, it's the reason that Doctor 2 in 1967 wouldn't do Douglas Canfield's Nazi werewolf scripts because that was within the extreme living memory of people who were watching the show and you can't just make that into... Exactly. All right, I've got some things to plug. I think you can listen to 500-year diary, which is our triumphant 1st season of Flight through Entirety's spinoff podcast in which we discuss various new beginnings throughout the show's history and that's at 500-yeardiary.com. Our next episode of Flight through Entirety is still not due until Christmas in July, July the 25th, when we will return with the return of Dr. Mysterio. And there is, of course, untitled Star Trek Project, for those of you who are fans of Enterprise, and I know that you all are. Our most recent episode featured a large number of white people taking over the enterprise and doing some suicide bombing with hilarious results. So that's at untitled Star Trek Project.com. All right. So all that remains is for me to say, until next time, remember to be kind to the Gen Z kids in your life. They've been putting up with you for such a long time. No, can they be kind to me, please? Yes, we're old. We deserve to be nice. Thank you very much for listening and good night. Good night. Bye bye. See you soon. And also you, Gen Z, kids, get off my lawn.