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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and

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bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast, which is

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beginning to wonder if this anti-perse print is quite as effective

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as it says on the tin.

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I'm Nathan.

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Hi, no, the stuff never works for me.

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I am Brendan.

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And I'm Todd.

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This week we watched Russell T. Davis's episode 73 yards, and it's

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our 1st Dr. Light episode of the new era, and I guess we'll get on

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to that.

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But before we do, let's just give our initial impressions.

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What did you think of this one, Todd?

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Well, if I gave 8.75 out of 10 to last week.

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This week, I'll give it a 9.75 out of 10.

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Wow, that's a big call from space to this.

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What about you, Brendan?

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Look, I'm with Todd.

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I don't do decimals as the listener, longtime listener knows, but

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I've given it a provisional nine.

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Um, sort of when I get to the end of this season.

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I going to watch them all again and reassess my scores.

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So it's on par with last week for me and slightly ahead of the

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other 2 episodes.

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And yeah, I just, I really enjoyed it.

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I question the wisdom of having Dr. Light episodes in an 8 episode

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season, but entirely on its own merits.

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I think this was fantastic.

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Uh, I have to agree.

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I really love this one.

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I have enjoyed basically all of the episodes since the show came

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back in November and what I'm really appreciating is just the

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range of different things the show can do and how much more

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strange and experimental it is than the initial RTD run.

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You know, I think we had friends who fear that he was just going

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to do the same old stuff and he's absolutely not doing that.

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And there's some things about his 1st era that I definitely miss

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because I love that era.

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But I'm really, really enjoying this.

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So I thought this was a particularly strong one.

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So it turns out we're doing a Dr. Light episode because shooting

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is it's kind of down the road doing sex education, I think, at

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this point.

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And so he's barely in it.

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This is, I think, maybe the 1st thing that Millie shoots, although

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I'm not sure about that.

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It is one of the 1st things.

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She's only 18 at the time of filming this.

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And I think for that, it's absolutely extraordinary.

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I mean, you can say what you want about the character of Ruby, and

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I certainly have put a bit of criticism into the fact that perhaps

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we don't really know her or there's not much substance there, but

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I really enjoyed Millie's performance this week, and I was totally

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captivated by everything that was going on and where she was

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heading.

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And I have to say, I did not see it coming, the 73 yards to get

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rid of the Prime Minister.

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Like the moment that penny dropped.

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I just thought, 0 my gosh.

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And she just sold the whole thing.

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And old Ruby was fantastic as well.

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Yeah, I actually also found myself. just mesmerised and not

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missing shooty.

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I love Shooty as the doctor.

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I'm really, really enjoying his performance, but I wasn't sitting

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there going, where's shooty?

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She did have me completely absorbed in the episode, which is

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pretty amazing.

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But I think each of those sequences that are in the episode, which

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always will talk about.

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There was just characters and who was going on that kept you

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involved all the way through.

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Brendan Yep, absolutely.

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No, he holds the whole thing together.

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I wasn't looking at my watch thinking where shooting, but there

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were a couple of points where I thought, oh, this could be a point

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where, you know, the doctor sticks his head out of a portal or

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it's like Wesley Crusher shouting to his mother at the other end

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of a maelstrom.

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Um, but it didn't need it.

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And I love that it had the confidence to say, We are giving an

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entire episode to Millie, and I think she does carry it with a

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plomb.

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I kind of get what I see people saying about, you know, she's not

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a character isn't massively, solidly defined.

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And I have to wonder if that's a conscious choice from Russell

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getting away from sort of the high concept characters we've had or

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dare I say it, the no concept companions we've had, to just give

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us the person next door.

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And, you know, reestablishing this idea that, It's not being a

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special child of destiny that makes you travel with the doctor.

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It's your temperament and your character, which is the big focus

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of this episode.

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And I think her character was actually proven in this episode

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because once she turns up, like she gets freaked out at the

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beginning, obviously, and then she ends up in that pub with all

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those people who are winding her up and you're thinking, where the

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where is this going?

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And when that tension breaks, you can think this poor girl and

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she's got this woman outside that everybody's screaming out

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running away and all those characters in the pub like that bitch

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of a landlady.

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But I love the woman at the bar and the way she sold all the hocus

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pocus witchcraft.

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So the woman at the bar was Sian Phillips, a Welsh actor, who is

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91 years old, and she played Livia, the wife of Augustus, in I

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Claudius in the early 1970s at the age of 42, and also starred in

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David Lynch's Dune, and she was in all sorts of things, you know

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how green was my valley and and under Milkwood and stuff.

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She's a very, very well-known Welsh actor and she is just

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fabulous.

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She was so wonderfully evil in i Claudius.

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She poisons everyone.

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She's magnificent.

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Great. wonderful.

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Just sort of posh, scary lady.

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I thought she was really good.

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I think like, I found this as an exploration of her character

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really, really interesting, but, you know, the character isn't

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sort of quite as as kind of well-defined as, you know, Billy or

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Freema or Catherine were.

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And, you know, we've had a long time to get to know them and think

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about them and they've been characters who've been with us for

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kind of a long time.

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And Millie's character isn't, I think, as clearly defined as that

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in that sort of soap opera way.

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You know how, you know, rose is going to react.

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You know how you certainly know how Don is going to react.

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So you don't quite quite know Millie quite well enough yet.

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But what we do learn is this sort of weird abandonment thing

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that's going on.

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And that's the most interesting thing about this season for me is

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that every season has kind of abandoned children.

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And even, even the Moffatt one last week ended with a child being

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orphaned, and you can see the doctor and Ruby's reaction to that

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you know, like everything is about children, even the space babies

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thing where they arrive on a space station full of abandoned

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babies, which is so ridiculous and makes so much fun of that

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concept.

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And here we get it properly examined where she, it connects with

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no one over the, over the kind of, over the 15 years that we see

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and then at the end, you know, 55, 65 years later, she has

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basically no one.

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And in fact, the only person that she has is the mysterious woman

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73 yards away.

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And whenever anyone gets close enough to her to find out what

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she's like, they abandon her.

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And it's so terrifying and bleak and strange, but it's so on point

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you know, so on point for what this season is doing.

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It's so terrifying and it just builds.

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And from the moment you have Susan Twist running away at the

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beginning and she was hilarious. just hilarious. like her whole

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scream and everything.

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I just burst out laughing.

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But then I got, you know, very serious, but all of that was

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beautifully shot on the cryptops and that.

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But then to go from the village into with her mum.

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And then, then her mum, the look that her mum gave her and what

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she said and been locked out of the flat and all that, you know, I

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think it's testament to the character, the character didn't have a

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complete and utter breakdown.

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You get that, you get a bit outside the door at the flat when

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she's locked out.

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And then when Peter's favourite, Kate, lift with Stuart turns up

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like, you know, when when she turns and you get that moment of

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rage, you know, it's it's, but she manages to then, you know, bring

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it back and and keep soldering on and come to terms with living

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with this woman who's just, you know, over there while she's

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waking up with the boyfriends or having the parties every 5

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years.

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I'm going to have to say this, like, you know, I wish I had her

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skin routine for authority.

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I would have bought it a bit more if they just aged it a 33

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because I think she looked really good up to that and after that I

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went, okay, that's fine.

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They're doing everything, but, you know, that's my little quibble

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and you know, now, I like to also have everything answered, and

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initially that was a problem for me, but now having watched it

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again, if something gets tied in at the end, season wide, it's 73

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yards or something gets answered, you know, I'm happy for it to us

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to never really find out what that woman was saying, you know.

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I just want to say, I think I think Ruby probably has the best

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skincare routine known to man, which is not living in Australia

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you know, because here's the whole thing, right?

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The internet has been full of people going, well, look at Amy in

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the girl who waited and Ruby should look like that.

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And other people going, she's meant Amy's meant to be about 55 to

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60 there at a bunch of 40 year olds, including myself going, how

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old do you think we look?

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Do you know, I think that they did learn a valuable lesson about

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ageing makeup and it is a lesson that they didn't learn in the 1st

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run through and that they certainly didn't learn in the muffin

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era.

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And I was just thinking about how ridiculous poor old what's a

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phase looks at the end of last Christmas in like her horrible

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horrible ageing makeup is so bad.

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And so they've just said, no, that doesn't work.

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We have much better cameras now.

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They're not going to forgive anything that looks this stupid.

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We will cast an old woman and we will just make Millie dress

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frumpier when she's 40.

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And I think that that's that's perfect.

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That's fine.

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See, what I really liked was the accommodation that she makes with

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the woman, like, I think the woman is gesturing and she's saying

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the things, the speech that we hear her say from kind of behind

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her hands, you know, the speech about how long it takes and how

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she waited and all of that.

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I think that's what she's saying all the way through.

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And we never see her speak to those people.

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She never actually turns and speaks to them.

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She's always looking at Ruby and gesticulating the way that she

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keeps gesticulating.

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So she doesn't appear to turn to them and tell them anything, but

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then they run off.

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So it's not sort of quite clear what what that is.

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But what I really like is her going to the window.

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Ruby going to the window at her birthday and just raising a glass

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to this woman and then, you know, eventually learning that that's

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the person that's kind of kept her from being lonely for 65 years

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towards the end.

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All that stuff is great.

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The other thing that I think is great is that we keep seeing

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points in the story that we think are an escape.

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And if we think about it, we know it's too early in the story.

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But you sort of think once, once they all kind of start laughing

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at her about the, about the magic in the pub in Wales, everything's

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going to be okay.

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Once she gets on the train to go back to London, she's going to be

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fine.

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Oh, Kate's here, it's all right.

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She's going to be okay.

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Oh, she's defeated the prime minister.

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It's all right.

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It's all over.

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It's going to be okay.

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And of course, you know, at no point does it end?

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And I think the story is so wildly unpredictable.

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And one of the reasons, I think, that it works so well is that

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each concept only lasts a short period of time and nothing

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outstays its welcome.

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I'd agree with you.

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I, I like that, they, they, they don't outstay their welcome.

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And uh, The prime minister coming in, like bringing all that back

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like, obviously at the beginning, you think, oh, yes, it's going

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to come into play, but then you sort of, I was just so engrossed

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before what was going on and the freakiness of that woman and and

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the time of events that I didn't see her coming until suddenly his

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name's on the screen and he's getting elected and I'm going, oh my

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goodness, they're bringing this in.

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You know, this is, yes, as you said, our way out, Nathan.

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But then just seeing that unfold and that poor woman from the

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office, like whatever he did to her, the number on her, and then

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she laughs when he got run, it was so funny with him running out

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of the stadium, like, you know, it was going well.

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But I just didn't see that coming.

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I did not see that coming.

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And it really, it's something about, I think, the show had missed

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for a while is that the companion is really taking charge and

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seeing how common they are and actually solving the problem or

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what's in front of them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I agree.

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I think it really is something that even Millie hadn't had the

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chance to do, even Ruby hasn't been able to save the day yet until

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this episode and I'd been waiting for it and I'm really glad it

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happened.

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I thought it was, it was really something.

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Something that I thought was particularly noticeable with, um, uh

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Roger Ab William is, When Russell has sort of done political

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commentary in the past, He's either made jokes directly at

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existing world leaders or he's created analogues for existing

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world leaders, and here, I don't think he is specifically

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referring to any one world leader, but he's referring to the

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popularist.

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Warmonger.

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Archetype.

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And I think that's a very clever idea, especially with the show

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more globally available than it has ever been before in that we're

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no longer saying we're angry at Tony Blair.

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We're no longer saying we're angry at George W.

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Bush.

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We're saying we are angry at this type of leader. which I think is

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very powerful and also that you have all these people around him

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who are like, oh, he says he'll press the button, but we know he

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won't.

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You know, and it is the kind of support that these leaders get of

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these people going, oh, no, no, no.

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He's not really going to do that.

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He's just saying that to get elected and then when it happens, it's

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like, 0 yeah, but it's not really that bad.

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And Ruby even says, like, the catalyst for her finally taking

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action is finding out about the nukes, but also finding out how

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badly Marty's been treated.

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And she apologises to Marty for not acting sooner.

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And again, it's just, It's showing that even though maybe you

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can't summarise Ruby in 3 words, um, It's demonstrating

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intelligence and compassion and a sense of self-sacrifice.

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And something that I think is so important in her character is a

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lack of self-pity.

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Yeah.

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She goes through all this stuff and while she is upset in the

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moment, uh, you find by the end of her life that she's quite

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content, despite everything she's been through.

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And I suppose, you know, saving the world will do that for you, but

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still, like 40 more years of no significant other, no children.

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Oh, it breaks your heart.

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The character could have been portrayed as been quite bitter, but

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she wasn't that.

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She embraced, embraced her life and what it was and, and, and, you

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know, just making statements like I could make it snow once upon a

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time and stuff like that.

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You know, there wasn't any, she wasn't really upset or, you know

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it was just, you know, that's what's been dealt, you know, and she

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can, has come to terms with that, you know?

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I think watching it a 2nd time for me was really good because, as

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you know, I like to have answers to everything.

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And I wasn't going to get them, you know.

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And so coming to terms with that was, um, has helped me, you know

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in terms of my liking of this episode.

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And I think Kate's saying this time I might be suspended along

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your event is an explanation of all sorts and you can blink and

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miss that, you know what I mean?

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And Russell said, you're never going to find out what that woman

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has said.

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You know, you've got to come to terms with whatever is getting

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said or the gestures, you know, and what's causing those people to

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run away.

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That's up to you to sort of, to work out, which I think is very

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very clear.

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I really love the whole Kate conversation.

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I really thought it was really beautifully delivered on both of

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the actresses' parts despite what beat up my saying.

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I don't know.

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Sorry, Peter.

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But I like cake.

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That be true, and it's good to see her, and it certainly came out

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of the blue.

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I wasn't expecting her at all.

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No, it's nice to link in there in that episode, in this episode.

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Yeah, so I was just mesmerised by the whole thing. all the way

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through.

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You know, I think every explanation is there because there's

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there's the initial explanation that it's the fairy circle, which

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is given to us by the people in the pub.

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Then there's the explanation that obviously it's not the fairy

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circle also given to us by the people in the pub.

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Then you get Kate talking about perception filters, which Ruby

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corroborates as a possibility.

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You get the theory that maybe the TARDIS landing on the thing and

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a perception filter interacting with the um, the circle on a

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liminal space, you know, between the land and the sea, which is

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what um, Sian Phillips's character mentions.

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But what you get is you get Kate saying, it's a thing and we just

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make up whatever rules in our head we need to make it work.

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And it's absolutely, uh, Russell saying, you're not getting a cut

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and dried explanation here, uh, what you are going to get is

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something that's resonant and interesting and that you can play

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with and think about, um, but, uh, we're not going to have a, a

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speech at the end saying exactly what it was and and trying to pin

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it down.

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Um, and, and you know, that's a longtime criticism of Russell's

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writing is that a lot of people just, you know, I've heard just

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lots of times where people have said, that would have worked for

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me if there had been one more line of dialogue in there explaining

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it.

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And Russell knows that.

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And he knows what exposition is, but he just doesn't want to do

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that.

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And here I think he's very definitely kind of just saying, this

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time I'm really going for it.

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I'm not only going to not give you an explanation, but I'm going

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to comment in the script about not giving you an explanation.

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I just feel like there's still going to be something at the end of

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the season.

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I just think there'll be something, some throwaway thing when kids

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do get wrapped.

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And if that happens, if it's, that could be the icing on cake that

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that gives me a 10, a one, 0.0 blister.

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But I also like the idea that maybe it's this sort of strange

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thing that happens just on the perimeter of Doctor Who that never

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quite gets roped in.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That never gets quite brought into the episode.

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Because, you know, there's that thing, and I did think of you, Todd

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when there's no opening crowd.

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Oh, no, no, no, no.

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Because I kind of thought, there's no opening credits because the

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names came up and I thought, when they do that, it's going to be

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something special.

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Right?

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And it's either going to be special, wonderful, or perhaps not so

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much, but I just kind of thought, okay, we're into a ride here and

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what a wonderful journey.

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I thought it made it look more filmmick.

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You know, the last time we had credits like that, I think, was

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maybe in the day of the doctor over that incredible scene with the

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TARDIS being kind of lowered, you know, into Trafalgar Square.

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And so it did make it filming, particularly given the way all of

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that coastline was shot.

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And of course, you know, I think when it comes time to talk about

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this on flights through entirety, uh, in 2032 or whatever, um, I'll

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have, I'll have a tight 5 minutes about what the purpose of the

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opening titles is and why they'd be inappropriate.

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But maybe that's not for today.

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I have to ask Brendan something.

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I've been seeing all this speculation on the internet now about

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where this season is going and I want to hear your series because

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last week you talked about season one of Doctor Who and how it

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relates and I want to know how this relates to Marco Polo. because

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I haven't worked it out.

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Right.

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I've been seeing some other people speculating that all the

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Russell episodes are linking in with what was going to be the

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final season of the Sarah Jane adventures.

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And I'm not going to say anything more about that.

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You can go and read about that, but that's by the bye.

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But I'd love to hear from you, Brendan, now on your Marco Polo

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experience.

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Well, Todd, I have 2 answers for that, in fact. and I'll start

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with the one that's going to enrage you.

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They both take place over a very long period of time.

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Well, that is true.

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Now, the 2nd one is that throughout the story, you have a male

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leader, who is constantly jockeying for power, and who 2 female

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characters are constantly saying this guy's bad news and no one

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will listen to them.

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But in the end, he is revealed, because you have Roger Apwilliam

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and you have Tagana.

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Ah, there we go.

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You have, uh, you have Ruby and Marty, and you have Susan and

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Pincho.

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And you have Susan Twist screaming at somebody running off.

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We'll start screaming at the cave of 500 eyes or something like

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that.

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Right?

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Well, Barbara is taken prisoner in the cave of 500 eyes.

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And there is a superstition surrounding that.

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So there you go.

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There we go.

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Oh, I think that's brilliant.

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That's brilliant, Brandon.

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Can I just say MVP is Susan Twist.

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God, I love it.

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She's so great.

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What is she going to be next?

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you know?

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What's going to be next?

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I actually I actually watched the Devil's Court again last night

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because it's really great.

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And I thought she was, she absolutely stole the scene that she was

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in like, shamelessly stole that scene.

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Oh, she did, she was great. here.

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Pay attention to me.

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It was really great.

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I just, I just love that scene with her on the cliff, like, just

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just, some of the things that the character said and I can't even

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remember it now, but I was just laughing my head off, like, she's

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going, oh, I hope I haven't stumbled into anything, you know?

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and then she's going up there so gung ho and then I just just to

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scream.

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That was just, I just...

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I think that the incredibly bad job she does of running away with

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us.

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You know, when the other guy, when the other guy runs away, you

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know, he does a really proper solid job of running away, but she's

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you know, trying to use those sticks to get up the heath or

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whatever. pretty hilarious.

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All right, I think that's it.

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Is there anything more anyone wanted to add?

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I just wanted to chuck in the theory of maybe it's not something

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so much the woman said as if we're working on perception filters

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the rules of Doctor Who, Blenovic limitation effect, it's

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realising you have just met the same person at 2 different points

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in their life and that breaks your brain a little.

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Yeah, could be.

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Although it is, you know, like certainly Carla plays it like she's

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learned something horrible about Ruby and that's, yeah, that's why

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she rejects her.

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And so, I mean, but that just works on the thematic level, doesn't

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it?

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Where Ruby's scared if anyone gets to know her very well.

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They'll abandon her the way her mother did.

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All right.

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Well, in that case, it's time to plug some stuff.

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So, as I mentioned last week, the entire 1st season of 500 year

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diary is up, that 6 episodes where we talk about new beginnings in

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Doctor Who and its spinoffs.

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So that's at 500yearDiary.com.

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So sign up and listen to that if you haven't done that already.

491
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And I also wanted to say that yesterday was the 10th anniversary

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of the 1st episode of Flight Through Entirety.

493
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Episode 0, a little queer was released on the 26th of May 2014.

494
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And so to commemorate on the flight through entirety website, I

495
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posted a short history of the 1st 10 years of flights or

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entirety.

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So if you enjoy our ramblings or want to hear how all of this came

498
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to be, then take a look at that.

499
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Please do.

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It's a great read and a testament to both Brendan and Nathan and

501
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all that they've done and we wouldn't be here without them, so

502
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thank you both.

503
00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:25.500
Thank you, dear.

504
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Thanks Todd.

505
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So that's flightthroughentirety.com slash tense.

506
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And of course, Untitled Star Trek Project continues unabated.

507
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But this week, I can't wait.

508
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.000
Is Sabosa or was that, is that you've done that one previous?

509
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:45.000
No, we did sub rose and we did sub rose way back when I had

510
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COVID.

511
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.539
I'm actually struggling to remember what it is this week, but I

512
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have a terrifying feeling it's an episode of Enterprise series 3

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called Chosen Realm.

514
00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:59.099
Well, since I'm struggling through COVID this week, I'll go and

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listen to Sub Rosa.

516
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Yeah, do that. do that.

517
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You'll be able to sympathise.

518
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.160
Um, Brendan, what do you have to plug?

519
00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.740
Well, 1st of all, I'd just like to mention, with all this talk of

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00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:14.460
orphans, it triggered a memory in me and our May 23rd 2016 episode

521
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:15.599
of Flight Through Entirety.

522
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.559
So 8 years ago.

523
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.599
Full of orphans. is full of orphans.

524
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All 3 episodes are on that, along with Richard.

525
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:27.119
As for what I have to plug, I do have a new video up on my YouTube

526
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channel, which is retro game shopping tips in Japan.

527
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.359
I'm currently working on 2 new videos on the game and watch series

528
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.500
and also everything I've learned about collecting retro games.

529
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.380
Which one will be up first, whichever one I can edit faster.

530
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.700
On the video game front as well, the latest episode of the BGBJ

531
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:47.579
game show, Catquest is now out.

532
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:53.579
And we are inviting comments on the games, the tourist and the

533
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:56.519
Talos principal, as they are our next 2 games that will be

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playing.

535
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Brilliant.

536
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I'm already playing the tourist and I'm really crap at it.

537
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.839
All right.

538
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:07.799
Well, in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next

539
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.640
time, let's all agree to stop dating fascist British Prime

540
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.859
Ministers, it never ends well.

541
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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

542
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So Moorish.

543
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Good night.

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See you soon.