WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 11:58:30 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.820 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast, which is beginning to wonder if this anti-perse print is quite as effective as it says on the tin. 2 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:13.259 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:15.599 Hi, no, the stuff never works for me. 4 00:00:15.660 --> 00:00:16.199 I am Brendan. 5 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:17.820 And I'm Todd. 6 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:31.320 This week we watched Russell T. Davis's episode 73 yards, and it's our 1st Dr. Light episode of the new era, and I guess we'll get on to that. 7 00:00:31.379 --> 00:00:35.759 But before we do, let's just give our initial impressions. 8 00:00:35.820 --> 00:00:37.859 What did you think of this one, Todd? 9 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:42.539 Well, if I gave 8.75 out of 10 to last week. 10 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.659 This week, I'll give it a 9.75 out of 10. 11 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:50.640 Wow, that's a big call from space to this. 12 00:00:52.140 --> 00:00:54.299 What about you, Brendan? 13 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.640 Look, I'm with Todd. 14 00:00:56.700 --> 00:01:02.700 I don't do decimals as the listener, longtime listener knows, but I've given it a provisional nine. 15 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.099 Um, sort of when I get to the end of this season. 16 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.019 I going to watch them all again and reassess my scores. 17 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:13.079 So it's on par with last week for me and slightly ahead of the other 2 episodes. 18 00:01:13.140 --> 00:01:16.980 And yeah, I just, I really enjoyed it. 19 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:24.959 I question the wisdom of having Dr. Light episodes in an 8 episode season, but entirely on its own merits. 20 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:25.680 I think this was fantastic. 21 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:28.079 Uh, I have to agree. 22 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:29.099 I really love this one. 23 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:47.939 I have enjoyed basically all of the episodes since the show came back in November and what I'm really appreciating is just the range of different things the show can do and how much more strange and experimental it is than the initial RTD run. 24 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:54.420 You know, I think we had friends who fear that he was just going to do the same old stuff and he's absolutely not doing that. 25 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:59.819 And there's some things about his 1st era that I definitely miss because I love that era. 26 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:01.799 But I'm really, really enjoying this. 27 00:02:01.859 --> 00:02:03.719 So I thought this was a particularly strong one. 28 00:02:03.780 --> 00:02:14.219 So it turns out we're doing a Dr. Light episode because shooting is it's kind of down the road doing sex education, I think, at this point. 29 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.379 And so he's barely in it. 30 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.819 This is, I think, maybe the 1st thing that Millie shoots, although I'm not sure about that. 31 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.580 It is one of the 1st things. 32 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.039 She's only 18 at the time of filming this. 33 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.039 And I think for that, it's absolutely extraordinary. 34 00:02:29.099 --> 00:02:47.039 I mean, you can say what you want about the character of Ruby, and I certainly have put a bit of criticism into the fact that perhaps we don't really know her or there's not much substance there, but I really enjoyed Millie's performance this week, and I was totally captivated by everything that was going on and where she was heading. 35 00:02:47.099 --> 00:02:54.659 And I have to say, I did not see it coming, the 73 yards to get rid of the Prime Minister. 36 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.219 Like the moment that penny dropped. 37 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:57.780 I just thought, 0 my gosh. 38 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.879 And she just sold the whole thing. 39 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:02.280 And old Ruby was fantastic as well. 40 00:03:03.419 --> 00:03:10.680 Yeah, I actually also found myself. just mesmerised and not missing shooty. 41 00:03:10.740 --> 00:03:12.240 I love Shooty as the doctor. 42 00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:16.680 I'm really, really enjoying his performance, but I wasn't sitting there going, where's shooty? 43 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:20.520 She did have me completely absorbed in the episode, which is pretty amazing. 44 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:25.379 But I think each of those sequences that are in the episode, which always will talk about. 45 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:29.639 There was just characters and who was going on that kept you involved all the way through. 46 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.520 Brendan Yep, absolutely. 47 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:35.219 No, he holds the whole thing together. 48 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:49.439 I wasn't looking at my watch thinking where shooting, but there were a couple of points where I thought, oh, this could be a point where, you know, the doctor sticks his head out of a portal or it's like Wesley Crusher shouting to his mother at the other end of a maelstrom. 49 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.740 Um, but it didn't need it. 50 00:03:52.800 --> 00:04:03.539 And I love that it had the confidence to say, We are giving an entire episode to Millie, and I think she does carry it with a plomb. 51 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:11.879 I kind of get what I see people saying about, you know, she's not a character isn't massively, solidly defined. 52 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:26.879 And I have to wonder if that's a conscious choice from Russell getting away from sort of the high concept characters we've had or dare I say it, the no concept companions we've had, to just give us the person next door. 53 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:35.639 And, you know, reestablishing this idea that, It's not being a special child of destiny that makes you travel with the doctor. 54 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:41.699 It's your temperament and your character, which is the big focus of this episode. 55 00:04:42.300 --> 00:04:56.279 And I think her character was actually proven in this episode because once she turns up, like she gets freaked out at the beginning, obviously, and then she ends up in that pub with all those people who are winding her up and you're thinking, where the, where is this going? 56 00:04:56.339 --> 00:05:07.500 And when that tension breaks, you can think this poor girl and she's got this woman outside that everybody's screaming out running away and all those characters in the pub like that bitch of a landlady. 57 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:11.879 But I love the woman at the bar and the way she sold all the hocus pocus witchcraft. 58 00:05:11.939 --> 00:05:37.560 So the woman at the bar was Sian Phillips, a Welsh actor, who is 91 years old, and she played Livia, the wife of Augustus, in I Claudius in the early 1970s at the age of 42, and also starred in David Lynch's Dune, and she was in all sorts of things, you know, how green was my valley and and under Milkwood and stuff. 59 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:42.300 She's a very, very well-known Welsh actor and she is just fabulous. 60 00:05:42.420 --> 00:05:45.000 She was so wonderfully evil in i Claudius. 61 00:05:45.060 --> 00:05:46.259 She poisons everyone. 62 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:47.339 She's magnificent. 63 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:51.000 Great. wonderful. 64 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:52.980 Just sort of posh, scary lady. 65 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:54.180 I thought she was really good. 66 00:05:54.240 --> 00:06:13.019 I think like, I found this as an exploration of her character. really, really interesting, but, you know, the character isn't sort of quite as as kind of well-defined as, you know, Billy or Freema or Catherine were. 67 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:19.680 And, you know, we've had a long time to get to know them and think about them and they've been characters who've been with us for kind of a long time. 68 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:25.620 And Millie's character isn't, I think, as clearly defined as that in that sort of soap opera way. 69 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.139 You know how, you know, rose is going to react. 70 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.560 You know how you certainly know how Don is going to react. 71 00:06:31.620 --> 00:06:35.100 So you don't quite quite know Millie quite well enough yet. 72 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:39.779 But what we do learn is this sort of weird abandonment thing that's going on. 73 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:45.899 And that's the most interesting thing about this season for me is that every season has kind of abandoned children. 74 00:06:45.899 --> 00:07:05.459 And even, even the Moffatt one last week ended with a child being orphaned, and you can see the doctor and Ruby's reaction to that, you know, like everything is about children, even the space babies thing where they arrive on a space station full of abandoned babies, which is so ridiculous and makes so much fun of that concept. 75 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:21.660 And here we get it properly examined where she, it connects with no one over the, over the kind of, over the 15 years that we see, and then at the end, you know, 55, 65 years later, she has basically no one. 76 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:27.360 And in fact, the only person that she has is the mysterious woman 73 yards away. 77 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:33.720 And whenever anyone gets close enough to her to find out what she's like, they abandon her. 78 00:07:33.779 --> 00:07:43.079 And it's so terrifying and bleak and strange, but it's so on point, you know, so on point for what this season is doing. 79 00:07:43.139 --> 00:07:46.500 It's so terrifying and it just builds. 80 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:54.480 And from the moment you have Susan Twist running away at the beginning and she was hilarious. just hilarious. like her whole scream and everything. 81 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:55.680 I just burst out laughing. 82 00:07:55.740 --> 00:08:00.480 But then I got, you know, very serious, but all of that was beautifully shot on the cryptops and that. 83 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:05.579 But then to go from the village into with her mum. 84 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:19.740 And then, then her mum, the look that her mum gave her and what she said and been locked out of the flat and all that, you know, I think it's testament to the character, the character didn't have a complete and utter breakdown. 85 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:25.259 You get that, you get a bit outside the door at the flat when she's locked out. 86 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:49.019 And then when Peter's favourite, Kate, lift with Stuart turns up, like, you know, when when she turns and you get that moment of rage, you know, it's it's, but she manages to then, you know, bring it back and and keep soldering on and come to terms with living with this woman who's just, you know, over there while she's waking up with the boyfriends or having the parties every 5 years. 87 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:54.240 I'm going to have to say this, like, you know, I wish I had her skin routine for authority. 88 00:08:54.299 --> 00:09:01.080 I would have bought it a bit more if they just aged it a 33 because I think she looked really good up to that and after that I went, okay, that's fine. 89 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:24.299 They're doing everything, but, you know, that's my little quibble, and you know, now, I like to also have everything answered, and initially that was a problem for me, but now having watched it again, if something gets tied in at the end, season wide, it's 73 yards or something gets answered, you know, I'm happy for it to us to never really find out what that woman was saying, you know. 90 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:36.840 I just want to say, I think I think Ruby probably has the best skincare routine known to man, which is not living in Australia. you know, because here's the whole thing, right? 91 00:09:36.899 --> 00:09:42.360 The internet has been full of people going, well, look at Amy in the girl who waited and Ruby should look like that. 92 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:51.419 And other people going, she's meant Amy's meant to be about 55 to 60 there at a bunch of 40 year olds, including myself going, how old do you think we look? 93 00:09:52.500 --> 00:10:05.340 Do you know, I think that they did learn a valuable lesson about ageing makeup and it is a lesson that they didn't learn in the 1st run through and that they certainly didn't learn in the muffin era. 94 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:18.360 And I was just thinking about how ridiculous poor old what's a phase looks at the end of last Christmas in like her horrible, horrible ageing makeup is so bad. 95 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:21.120 And so they've just said, no, that doesn't work. 96 00:10:21.179 --> 00:10:23.039 We have much better cameras now. 97 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.220 They're not going to forgive anything that looks this stupid. 98 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:32.100 We will cast an old woman and we will just make Millie dress frumpier when she's 40. 99 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.620 And I think that that's that's perfect. 100 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:35.340 That's fine. 101 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:52.080 See, what I really liked was the accommodation that she makes with the woman, like, I think the woman is gesturing and she's saying the things, the speech that we hear her say from kind of behind her hands, you know, the speech about how long it takes and how she waited and all of that. 102 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:53.940 I think that's what she's saying all the way through. 103 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.659 And we never see her speak to those people. 104 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.659 She never actually turns and speaks to them. 105 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:05.399 She's always looking at Ruby and gesticulating the way that she keeps gesticulating. 106 00:11:05.460 --> 00:11:10.379 So she doesn't appear to turn to them and tell them anything, but then they run off. 107 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.899 So it's not sort of quite clear what what that is. 108 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.259 But what I really like is her going to the window. 109 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:30.480 Ruby going to the window at her birthday and just raising a glass to this woman and then, you know, eventually learning that that's the person that's kind of kept her from being lonely for 65 years towards the end. 110 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.100 All that stuff is great. 111 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:37.679 The other thing that I think is great is that we keep seeing points in the story that we think are an escape. 112 00:11:37.740 --> 00:11:40.320 And if we think about it, we know it's too early in the story. 113 00:11:40.379 --> 00:11:50.519 But you sort of think once, once they all kind of start laughing at her about the, about the magic in the pub in Wales, everything's going to be okay. 114 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:55.440 Once she gets on the train to go back to London, she's going to be fine. 115 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:57.600 Oh, Kate's here, it's all right. 116 00:11:57.659 --> 00:11:58.740 She's going to be okay. 117 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.139 Oh, she's defeated the prime minister. 118 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:02.100 It's all right. 119 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:02.820 It's all over. 120 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:03.899 It's going to be okay. 121 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.360 And of course, you know, at no point does it end? 122 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:08.580 And I think the story is so wildly unpredictable. 123 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:15.779 And one of the reasons, I think, that it works so well is that each concept only lasts a short period of time and nothing outstays its welcome. 124 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:18.059 I'd agree with you. 125 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:21.000 I, I like that, they, they, they don't outstay their welcome. 126 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:43.080 And uh, The prime minister coming in, like bringing all that back, like, obviously at the beginning, you think, oh, yes, it's going to come into play, but then you sort of, I was just so engrossed before what was going on and the freakiness of that woman and and the time of events that I didn't see her coming until suddenly his name's on the screen and he's getting elected and I'm going, oh my goodness, they're bringing this in. 127 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:46.679 You know, this is, yes, as you said, our way out, Nathan. 128 00:12:46.740 --> 00:13:01.740 But then just seeing that unfold and that poor woman from the office, like whatever he did to her, the number on her, and then she laughs when he got run, it was so funny with him running out of the stadium, like, you know, it was going well. 129 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:04.259 But I just didn't see that coming. 130 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:05.159 I did not see that coming. 131 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:20.039 And it really, it's something about, I think, the show had missed for a while is that the companion is really taking charge and seeing how common they are and actually solving the problem or what's in front of them. 132 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:21.360 Yeah, yeah. 133 00:13:21.419 --> 00:13:22.620 I agree. 134 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:33.419 I think it really is something that even Millie hadn't had the chance to do, even Ruby hasn't been able to save the day yet until this episode and I'd been waiting for it and I'm really glad it happened. 135 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.879 I thought it was, it was really something. 136 00:13:36.240 --> 00:14:06.539 Something that I thought was particularly noticeable with, um, uh, Roger Ab William is, When Russell has sort of done political commentary in the past, He's either made jokes directly at existing world leaders or he's created analogues for existing world leaders, and here, I don't think he is specifically referring to any one world leader, but he's referring to the popularist. 137 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.700 Warmonger. 138 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:10.080 Archetype. 139 00:14:10.139 --> 00:14:22.019 And I think that's a very clever idea, especially with the show more globally available than it has ever been before in that we're no longer saying we're angry at Tony Blair. 140 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.299 We're no longer saying we're angry at George W. 141 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:24.720 Bush. 142 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:36.240 We're saying we are angry at this type of leader. which I think is very powerful and also that you have all these people around him who are like, oh, he says he'll press the button, but we know he won't. 143 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:43.080 You know, and it is the kind of support that these leaders get of these people going, oh, no, no, no. 144 00:14:43.139 --> 00:14:44.940 He's not really going to do that. 145 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:50.940 He's just saying that to get elected and then when it happens, it's like, 0 yeah, but it's not really that bad. 146 00:14:51.000 --> 00:15:02.039 And Ruby even says, like, the catalyst for her finally taking action is finding out about the nukes, but also finding out how badly Marty's been treated. 147 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.399 And she apologises to Marty for not acting sooner. 148 00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:22.919 And again, it's just, It's showing that even though maybe you can't summarise Ruby in 3 words, um, It's demonstrating intelligence and compassion and a sense of self-sacrifice. 149 00:15:22.980 --> 00:15:30.360 And something that I think is so important in her character is a lack of self-pity. 150 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:31.919 Yeah. 151 00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:45.240 She goes through all this stuff and while she is upset in the moment, uh, you find by the end of her life that she's quite content, despite everything she's been through. 152 00:15:45.299 --> 00:15:54.600 And I suppose, you know, saving the world will do that for you, but still, like 40 more years of no significant other, no children. 153 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.360 Oh, it breaks your heart. 154 00:15:57.419 --> 00:16:01.259 The character could have been portrayed as been quite bitter, but she wasn't that. 155 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:09.600 She embraced, embraced her life and what it was and, and, and, you know, just making statements like I could make it snow once upon a time and stuff like that. 156 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:20.100 You know, there wasn't any, she wasn't really upset or, you know, it was just, you know, that's what's been dealt, you know, and she can, has come to terms with that, you know? 157 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:27.059 I think watching it a 2nd time for me was really good because, as you know, I like to have answers to everything. 158 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.220 And I wasn't going to get them, you know. 159 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:38.700 And so coming to terms with that was, um, has helped me, you know, in terms of my liking of this episode. 160 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:47.580 And I think Kate's saying this time I might be suspended along your event is an explanation of all sorts and you can blink and miss that, you know what I mean? 161 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.940 And Russell said, you're never going to find out what that woman has said. 162 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:59.340 You know, you've got to come to terms with whatever is getting said or the gestures, you know, and what's causing those people to run away. 163 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.360 That's up to you to sort of, to work out, which I think is very, very clear. 164 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:05.819 I really love the whole Kate conversation. 165 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:13.500 I really thought it was really beautifully delivered on both of the actresses' parts despite what beat up my saying. 166 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:14.099 I don't know. 167 00:17:14.220 --> 00:17:14.700 Sorry, Peter. 168 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:16.859 But I like cake. 169 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.440 That be true, and it's good to see her, and it certainly came out of the blue. 170 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:20.460 I wasn't expecting her at all. 171 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:24.599 No, it's nice to link in there in that episode, in this episode. 172 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:30.960 Yeah, so I was just mesmerised by the whole thing. all the way through. 173 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:40.380 You know, I think every explanation is there because there's there's the initial explanation that it's the fairy circle, which is given to us by the people in the pub. 174 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:46.380 Then there's the explanation that obviously it's not the fairy circle also given to us by the people in the pub. 175 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:52.619 Then you get Kate talking about perception filters, which Ruby corroborates as a possibility. 176 00:17:52.680 --> 00:18:09.119 You get the theory that maybe the TARDIS landing on the thing and a perception filter interacting with the um, the circle on a liminal space, you know, between the land and the sea, which is what um, Sian Phillips's character mentions. 177 00:18:09.180 --> 00:18:18.599 But what you get is you get Kate saying, it's a thing and we just make up whatever rules in our head we need to make it work. 178 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:41.460 And it's absolutely, uh, Russell saying, you're not getting a cut and dried explanation here, uh, what you are going to get is something that's resonant and interesting and that you can play with and think about, um, but, uh, we're not going to have a, a speech at the end saying exactly what it was and and trying to pin it down. 179 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:54.900 Um, and, and you know, that's a longtime criticism of Russell's writing is that a lot of people just, you know, I've heard just lots of times where people have said, that would have worked for me if there had been one more line of dialogue in there explaining it. 180 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:56.700 And Russell knows that. 181 00:18:56.700 --> 00:19:01.140 And he knows what exposition is, but he just doesn't want to do that. 182 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:06.000 And here I think he's very definitely kind of just saying, this time I'm really going for it. 183 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:13.259 I'm not only going to not give you an explanation, but I'm going to comment in the script about not giving you an explanation. 184 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.799 I just feel like there's still going to be something at the end of the season. 185 00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:22.079 I just think there'll be something, some throwaway thing when kids do get wrapped. 186 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:30.359 And if that happens, if it's, that could be the icing on cake that, that gives me a 10, a one, 0.0 blister. 187 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:39.779 But I also like the idea that maybe it's this sort of strange thing that happens just on the perimeter of Doctor Who that never quite gets roped in. 188 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:40.680 Do you know what I mean? 189 00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:42.900 That never gets quite brought into the episode. 190 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.220 Because, you know, there's that thing, and I did think of you, Todd, when there's no opening crowd. 191 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:49.140 Oh, no, no, no, no. 192 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:55.380 Because I kind of thought, there's no opening credits because the names came up and I thought, when they do that, it's going to be something special. 193 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:56.400 Right? 194 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:06.960 And it's either going to be special, wonderful, or perhaps not so much, but I just kind of thought, okay, we're into a ride here and what a wonderful journey. 195 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:08.819 I thought it made it look more filmmick. 196 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:17.700 You know, the last time we had credits like that, I think, was maybe in the day of the doctor over that incredible scene with the TARDIS being kind of lowered, you know, into Trafalgar Square. 197 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:23.099 And so it did make it filming, particularly given the way all of that coastline was shot. 198 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:40.859 And of course, you know, I think when it comes time to talk about this on flights through entirety, uh, in 2032 or whatever, um, I'll have, I'll have a tight 5 minutes about what the purpose of the opening titles is and why they'd be inappropriate. 199 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.440 But maybe that's not for today. 200 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:46.019 I have to ask Brendan something. 201 00:20:46.140 --> 00:21:04.380 I've been seeing all this speculation on the internet now about where this season is going and I want to hear your series because last week you talked about season one of Doctor Who and how it relates and I want to know how this relates to Marco Polo. because I haven't worked it out. 202 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:05.039 Right. 203 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:13.920 I've been seeing some other people speculating that all the Russell episodes are linking in with what was going to be the final season of the Sarah Jane adventures. 204 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.619 And I'm not going to say anything more about that. 205 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.920 You can go and read about that, but that's by the bye. 206 00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:25.559 But I'd love to hear from you, Brendan, now on your Marco Polo experience. 207 00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:31.920 Well, Todd, I have 2 answers for that, in fact. and I'll start with the one that's going to enrage you. 208 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:36.240 They both take place over a very long period of time. 209 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.619 Well, that is true. 210 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:59.099 Now, the 2nd one is that throughout the story, you have a male leader, who is constantly jockeying for power, and who 2 female characters are constantly saying this guy's bad news and no one will listen to them. 211 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:06.539 But in the end, he is revealed, because you have Roger Apwilliam, and you have Tagana. 212 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.759 Ah, there we go. 213 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:15.599 You have, uh, you have Ruby and Marty, and you have Susan and Pincho. 214 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:19.680 And you have Susan Twist screaming at somebody running off. 215 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:23.759 We'll start screaming at the cave of 500 eyes or something like that. 216 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:24.240 Right? 217 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:28.500 Well, Barbara is taken prisoner in the cave of 500 eyes. 218 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:30.660 And there is a superstition surrounding that. 219 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:33.359 So there you go. 220 00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:34.140 There we go. 221 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.880 Oh, I think that's brilliant. 222 00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:36.960 That's brilliant, Brandon. 223 00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:40.019 Can I just say MVP is Susan Twist. 224 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.740 God, I love it. 225 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.400 She's so great. 226 00:22:41.460 --> 00:22:42.599 What is she going to be next? 227 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:43.440 you know? 228 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:45.119 What's going to be next? 229 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:51.779 I actually I actually watched the Devil's Court again last night because it's really great. 230 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:59.880 And I thought she was, she absolutely stole the scene that she was in like, shamelessly stole that scene. 231 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:02.220 Oh, she did, she was great. here. 232 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:03.539 Pay attention to me. 233 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:04.200 It was really great. 234 00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:17.160 I just, I just love that scene with her on the cliff, like, just, just, some of the things that the character said and I can't even remember it now, but I was just laughing my head off, like, she's going, oh, I hope I haven't stumbled into anything, you know? 235 00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:20.819 and then she's going up there so gung ho and then I just just to scream. 236 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.400 That was just, I just... 237 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:29.339 I think that the incredibly bad job she does of running away with us. 238 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:41.400 You know, when the other guy, when the other guy runs away, you know, he does a really proper solid job of running away, but she's, you know, trying to use those sticks to get up the heath or whatever. pretty hilarious. 239 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:43.859 All right, I think that's it. 240 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.779 Is there anything more anyone wanted to add? 241 00:23:45.960 --> 00:24:01.200 I just wanted to chuck in the theory of maybe it's not something so much the woman said as if we're working on perception filters, the rules of Doctor Who, Blenovic limitation effect, it's realising you have just met the same person at 2 different points in their life and that breaks your brain a little. 242 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.059 Yeah, could be. 243 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:12.779 Although it is, you know, like certainly Carla plays it like she's learned something horrible about Ruby and that's, yeah, that's why she rejects her. 244 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.019 And so, I mean, but that just works on the thematic level, doesn't it? 245 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.259 Where Ruby's scared if anyone gets to know her very well. 246 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.619 They'll abandon her the way her mother did. 247 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.059 All right. 248 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.700 Well, in that case, it's time to plug some stuff. 249 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:38.039 So, as I mentioned last week, the entire 1st season of 500 year diary is up, that 6 episodes where we talk about new beginnings in Doctor Who and its spinoffs. 250 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.500 So that's at 500yearDiary.com. 251 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.980 So sign up and listen to that if you haven't done that already. 252 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:52.259 And I also wanted to say that yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the 1st episode of Flight Through Entirety. 253 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:57.779 Episode 0, a little queer was released on the 26th of May 2014. 254 00:24:58.019 --> 00:25:08.279 And so to commemorate on the flight through entirety website, I posted a short history of the 1st 10 years of flights or entirety. 255 00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:15.299 So if you enjoy our ramblings or want to hear how all of this came to be, then take a look at that. 256 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.619 Please do. 257 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:23.039 It's a great read and a testament to both Brendan and Nathan and all that they've done and we wouldn't be here without them, so thank you both. 258 00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:25.500 Thank you, dear. 259 00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:26.279 Thanks Todd. 260 00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:30.720 So that's flightthroughentirety.com slash tense. 261 00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:35.279 And of course, Untitled Star Trek Project continues unabated. 262 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:38.460 But this week, I can't wait. 263 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.000 Is Sabosa or was that, is that you've done that one previous? 264 00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:45.539 No, we did sub rose and we did sub rose way back when I had COVID. 265 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:53.940 I'm actually struggling to remember what it is this week, but I have a terrifying feeling it's an episode of Enterprise series 3 called Chosen Realm. 266 00:25:54.059 --> 00:26:00.180 Well, since I'm struggling through COVID this week, I'll go and listen to Sub Rosa. 267 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.559 Yeah, do that. do that. 268 00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:02.940 You'll be able to sympathise. 269 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.160 Um, Brendan, what do you have to plug? 270 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:15.599 Well, 1st of all, I'd just like to mention, with all this talk of orphans, it triggered a memory in me and our May 23rd 2016 episode of Flight Through Entirety. 271 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.559 So 8 years ago. 272 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.599 Full of orphans. is full of orphans. 273 00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:21.960 All 3 episodes are on that, along with Richard. 274 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:30.180 As for what I have to plug, I do have a new video up on my YouTube channel, which is retro game shopping tips in Japan. 275 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:37.500 I'm currently working on 2 new videos on the game and watch series and also everything I've learned about collecting retro games. 276 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.380 Which one will be up first, whichever one I can edit faster. 277 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:47.579 On the video game front as well, the latest episode of the BGBJ game show, Catquest is now out. 278 00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:56.819 And we are inviting comments on the games, the tourist and the Talos principal, as they are our next 2 games that will be playing. 279 00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:58.559 Brilliant. 280 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:00.900 I'm already playing the tourist and I'm really crap at it. 281 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.839 All right. 282 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:13.859 Well, in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next time, let's all agree to stop dating fascist British Prime Ministers, it never ends well. 283 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.259 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 284 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.940 So Moorish. 285 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:18.480 Good night. 286 00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:20.039 See you soon.