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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and

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bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who Flashcast, which also

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has a gin and tonic division.

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It's me.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm James.

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And I'm an antiques roadshow collection of Nick Courtney's old

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stick on moustaches for this one.

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Guess which one I am. 1970 story one.

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The one I'm shooting's top left.

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Yes, it's really fake.

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So there was a video release.

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I think it looks convincing.

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I want to see them bring out all of Nick's old furies as well.

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I want them to end the season with the Clydesdale he was wearing

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by about the time of the season or something. such a thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There was a video released this week where Shooty sort of talked

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through his look and he has a slight blue tint in his hair, which

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is kind of exciting.

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And it is a fake moustache and he said, I've got to stick on

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moustache because I've been playing a teenager for the last 4

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years.

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So presumably he can and will grow his own moustache for later

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episodes.

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All right, so we are watching.

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No one said anything about Jody's, haven't they?

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I'm so relieved.

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So we have watched the Church on Ruby Road by Russell T. Davis, the

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Christmas special for 2023 and we have some hot takes to dish up.

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But first, let's acknowledge the return of Davina McColl to the

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show.

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I just saw Shane Horrocks.

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Jane Horrock's like, oh, do they nimical?

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Finally, I realised who she was.

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Okay.

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She's such a good sport.

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She's really good, isn't she?

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To send herself up and allow herself to be injured in such

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wonderful ways and be and be killed off and then resurrected.

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I mean, obviously, UK fans will know her much better than just the

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average viewer, say, here in Australia, but, you know, I just

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thought, oh, I thought it was quite delicious.

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Just, just, she was, she was able to really take the Mickey out of

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herself and I like the way they used her.

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That pullback where the camera just pulls back to reveal, firstly

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that she's got an arm in a sling and then she's in a wheelchair

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with a giant boot when she's on the call, is pretty funny.

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Then it turns out the Christmas tree starts, and it stab it

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through the head.

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You know, Russell's playing on that, don't you?

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It's in so many of John Walter's interviews, he talks about as

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being a seminal memory for him. when the Christmas tree fell on

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grandma and he put it in a divine movie back in the early 70s.

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I'm trying to remember which one.

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It was female trouble.

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It is.

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Well, desperately, it's the same thing.

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And yeah, yeah.

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So I know he said, you'll standby for lots more John Waters

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moments.

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I hope it doesn't get too...

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Yes.

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Very much so.

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And she got trampled by a moose.

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She fell off a boat on dry land.

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I mean, it's so ridiculous.

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So good.

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I just kept laughing.

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Just terrific.

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So we have the new doctor.

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We saw the new new doctor for about 15 minutes at the end of the

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last episode.

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How do you think he acquitted himself this week?

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And let's start with James.

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James has the hottest and at least well considered hot take on

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this episode because he has just switched off the closing credits

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to join the call.

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What did you think?

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Oh, I really enjoyed it.

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It was so much fun.

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So much fun.

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With 2 musical numbers.

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So good.

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Well, a musical number.

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And, and, and, and reprise.

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It was fantastic.

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So gay.

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And shooty?

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Oh.

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Oh my god.

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That voice.

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Yeah, voice.

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Oh, I probably shouldn't talk about this on this podcast, we might

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have to raise the raise the rating, put an explicit tag on it.

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But he's doing the accent.

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His own accent, isn't he?

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Because you're getting Scottish. his own accent is Scottish.

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No, that is that's his accent.

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That's how he goes.

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Okay, because I was hearing some islander in there.

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He did a little bit.

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There was an everything in there at one point, but basically I

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think, you know, you can hear the Scottish in his accent as well.

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And I think I think it's being demonstrated the doctor should

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always be Scottish, I think.

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Yeah, no, he's got a Scottish, real London, mixed, mixed accents

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often you do when you come to part of the UK.

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When you're as a child, you end up with a wonderful hybrid, an

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accident.

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Todd, what did you think?

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I think he is just extraordinary.

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Last week when he, when the last episode when he came in.

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He made David Tennant, the guest star in the last 15 years, he

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suddenly was the doctor, and he was the doctor straight up from

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this.

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It's like Tom Baker taking over from John Pertree.

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Like, there's no, I don't think anybody's ever matched that.

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You just forget about John within a moment and it's Tom.

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And here, shoot, he did it last week and and into this.

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I don't think anybody has matched this.

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Matt Smith came close for me, but he just is the doctor.

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Like I am just so impressed.

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Richard?

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What Todd said is actually really true.

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And I wasn't really considering that part of it because I was

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looking at all the other plotting and construction and and, you

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know, at Russell's old tricks.

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I was chatting to friendly acquaintance of the podcast, John

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Richards, this morning about it, and he doesn't hold back in his

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opinions, you know, we all love John, and, you know, he's just so

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smart, everything he says, and he really didn't like this, and I

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had to say, I agreed with everything he said, but we didn't touch

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on Judy's performance, and it absolutely wins it over.

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That, and seeing Jerry Hallowell again, back on the blocks doing

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that song number.

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That was lucky.

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She's looking well.

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Well, she, you know, a career revival.

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Don't expect too much.

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But you're right.

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It's the whole thing that they went through with Matt Smith, isn't

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it?

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There was someone else they were considering they'd already

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interviewed, you know, they'd already done the tests and then they

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shooty came in and he did.

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Apparently, it was again, is this your understanding as well from

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all the bits we've been reading?

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within minutes?

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And he really does steal the scenes.

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He's just, he's electrifying.

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You cannot not look at him when he's on the screen. doesn't even

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Anita Dobson.

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Even Angie.

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Oh, by the way, that's who that is.

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That is actually Angie from the old Vic and Dimensions in Time is

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now Canon.

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You watch. tongue tune.

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That'll be Brian May, a husband.

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But yeah, I agree.

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No, she's done the thing.

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Bruce Sanders.

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Like it was released as a single with lyrics.

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Call anyone can fall in love.

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He's sung with a theme tune taste. to a millionnaire ex member of

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Queen.

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Yeah, I suppose you could.

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Shooty, shooty is extraordinary.

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I didn't even hate the clothes and I really didn't like the photos

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and I thought this is so tricked up and it's, it's so cash you

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cashing in on, on, you know, on the notion of a complete reboot

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and you've gone as far as you possibly can.

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But it did look like my childhood.

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I remember cop shows in the 70s with people dressed like that and

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every other thing.

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And it was, he is so charming and how lovely is Millie?

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Yeah, let's talk about her.

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So, I had a little bit of a reservation about this because I

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always really liked Russell's less likeable characters, ranging

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from, you know, the 3 mothers and Neres and Adderley's.

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This time he's given himself the challenge of creating 3 very nice

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people.

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Um, uh, merely um, Carla and Cherry.

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And um, I really liked.

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I really found myself quite liking the family.

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The family, it's quite a different kind of family from the ones

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he's written before.

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Like it's a, it's a non-traditional family and that, you know

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we've got a foundling that has been adopted, um, which is common.

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It's common.

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But it's obviously it's not there.

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Like the, like the majority of society.

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And The fostering experience was dealt with in quite a, quite a

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thoughtful way.

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Especially when she is eaten in the past, that stark moment where

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the timeline changes and suddenly it shows how her mother never

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became the person that she she was meant to be.

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There's that line in it somewhere earlier in the episode where she

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says, she made my life.

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Like having her make my life and and then you see that this like

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broken woman who never really found happiness or fulfilment

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because this child was taken, it really, that was quite moving.

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I really liked how she says, I'm perfectly happy as I am.

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Why would I need a daughter, and I think that that's such a clever

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line because it's telling us exactly the opposite.

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And I did think some of that dialogue was a little bit too

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exposition-y because you had to sort of create this timeline in

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about 2 minutes before sort of heading off somewhere.

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Some of the dialogue was a little bit lacking in sort of subtext

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but I thought it did what it had to do very quickly and did it

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pretty effectively.

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Is that all you thought of that?

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Because for me, that was the dramatic moment that saved the whole

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episode from being just another piece of Disney Christmas TV.

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Yeah.

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When he showed how those actors could actually play drama and true

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depth and true tragedy in just a flick of a moment.

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Because again, he pushed them very hard, very fast.

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And that the woman who played Ruby's mother, I just think she's

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the most extraordinary thing I've seen on the show for, well, at

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least since the last episode.

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But, you know, she's fantastic.

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Absolutely had me convinced and I wasn't willing to be.

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So, yeah, just great.

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Todd.

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I thought Millie.

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Had a great energy about her.

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She reminds me of, I don't know, I think it's perhaps Katie

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Manning in her 2nd year on the show.

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Like, there was just something about her, and her chemistry, which

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duty was fantastic, and I really, really loved her performance.

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Cherry and Carla.

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I had problems with at the beginning because they would just seem

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to be so lovely.

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Like, I am used to these characters not getting on with the doctor

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but I just loved cherries whole line about getting a cup of tea

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all the way through.

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I just kept laughing every time I came back to her and she's not

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getting her tea.

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I thought that was great.

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And picking up on what James said.

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It was just so good at the end when the timelines changed and just

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having them subtly shift those characters, you could see what

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those actresses can do rather than just playing nice.

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And I really like that.

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I thought they were good.

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And I look forward to seeing where things go with them.

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All right.

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So yeah, let's talk about the goblins then. and the song.

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I have to say that I did come away from this episode thinking it

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was a little bit thin because you have 2 encounters with the

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goblins and there's not really any sort of obstacles to overcome

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and we sort of we very quickly defeat them and then we're off.

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Um, But, uh, you know, it's a Christmas special and maybe it can

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afford to be a little bit less complicated and I think it's going

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to be the onboarding experience for a lot of people as well.

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And so keeping it light perhaps is a thing.

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But I did kind of think, you know, this is 54 minutes and it seems

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to have less incident in it than, say, partners in crime or Smith

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and Jones.

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Look, I have to agree with you there.

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I mean, I loved all the little goblins and I loved the look of the

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goblin king.

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It would have been nice to have had some dialogue with the goblin

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king talking to perhaps the doctor or some kind of showdown just

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being stabbed and the whole thing ship disappearing because you

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kill the main villain and all.

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And that changes all the timeline and they just that vanish.

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But I loved the song.

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I thought the song was so much fun.

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And then, you know, when the doctor, Ruby, started singing to

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defeat that.

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Look, some people might complain about that, but I just sort of

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worked so perfectly in the context of the episode.

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What else are you going to do?

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Get them to sing along and escape?

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I thought that was so much fun, but I do think that the whole, I

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agree with you, Nathan.

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Like there's not much incident there per se.

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And so I did think that was a bit sort of rushed at the end or

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there could have been a bit more there to give things a bit more

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substance.

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But it's a Christmas special.

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I'm prepared to, you know, sort of let that, you know, slide to

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one side.

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I mean, in a way, we have a lot of goblins early on before we get

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to the confrontation, which is around about halfway through the

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episode.

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We just don't see them and it's like the unseen Doctor Who monster

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that kind of reveals itself at the end of episode one of a 4

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parter.

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You know, you see their hands and you hear them giggle and you see

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the photograph and all of that sort of thing.

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But that moment where Millie comes in and just is clearly

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extemporising.

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She can't think of a 3rd rhyme.

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Isn't it like, you know, it's nice to meet you.

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It's nice to greet you.

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It's nice to delete you or something like some stupid made-up word

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because you can't come up with a 3rd lyric.

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Like all of that is just like, yes, I'm in this world.

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I'm going to participate as well.

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And Judy singing is so great and he's so effortlessly sexy.

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Like he is so, do you know what I mean?

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He's just so kind of hot and self-possessed and yeah, like sexy

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and sort of, you know, even more so, I think, than tenant is when

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he's at his most sort of swaggering, dragging up in one of Jamie's

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old kilts to get up to the desk.

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That's great.

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That moment.

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I mean, that's unthinkable with anyone else.

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I don't know, maybe Capaldi.

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But, um, actually.

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He's been to the Inferno.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I was waiting for someone to actually come up to shooting and tell

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them that they dug his fab gear, actually.

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I was a little bit disappointed.

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What did you think, Richard of the goblins?

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Look, again, I was sort of coloured by what John was saying this

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morning and he was just like really down on the whole Disney thing

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but I've got to say, it's exactly what Russell's given us many

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times before, we've always loved it, putting in custard for

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Christmas, and I can't say that they have any less motivation than

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many of the characters we enjoyed back before 1989 as well.

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I mean, really, they're just the cheater people with less hair.

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Really, I think they're just doing it for fun, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I just had to laugh my head off with at that one that wanted to be

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eaten by the goblin king.

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It was so funny.

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I mean, I will have one...

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I will have one criticism of them is that in that song, I just

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felt that the lead singer, like the actual animation of her mouth

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to the lyrics just didn't fit for me.

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Like I kind of thought it needs to be bigger and out there and I

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just never got that.

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Like every time I cut back, I could have been anybody.

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Like, I mean, that was the one criticism.

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Yeah, manipulates the mouths to CG afterwards.

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To be fair, the spice scores were never really in sync anyway.

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So we can't believe Josh.

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Did you notice with the goblins, did you notice there was a point

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where I thought, I know your faces.

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I know, 0 my god, you've got Emma Stone's eyes.

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All of you.

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So, you know, the lead the lead singer of the that Goblin band is

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Janice Goblin.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hence, hit it, Janice.

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Like, doesn't, doesn't the doctor say that?

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Janice gone.

358
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Yes.

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Apparently the woman who did it is just a sort of session singer

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and she was on social media going, oh my god, I'm in the credits

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of Doctor Who.

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So she is sort of hugely excited.

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I mean, the great thing about it is that that song has been out

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for ages and we've heard it and it's really, really catchy.

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It really works.

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And to top it all off, suddenly the doctor and Millie seeing at

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the end of it in a way that they dote in the released track and

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that's just tremendous.

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It's so good.

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So good.

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Well, also, it did end up charting as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. in the week before Christmas.

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I think got to number 12.

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Oh that's adorable.

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In the UK.

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Yeah.

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Oh, sweet.

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I did say it up around the top on the day of release, but

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obviously that was just a lot of middle-aged nerds downloading it

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on Spotify.

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All right. repeatedly.

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That's right.

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I had a script.

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I wrote a script to do it automatically.

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So we have one more thing. we have a character in this episode who

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is so important that she's able to break into the closing credits

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and that's Mrs. Flood, who lives next door.

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We spoke about her earlier, when I was a child in the 1st house

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that I lived in, Mr. and Mrs. Flood lived next door, and they gave

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me a Bible for my 1st birthday.

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I know.

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So they were very sweet.

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What do we think of Mrs. Fudd?

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Do we have any Mrs. Flood related theories beyond Rani is an

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anagram of the word rain?

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Look, I'm not even going to try, like there's so much stuff out

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there, like flood, river, pond, you know, and put all that.

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You've already got flood, rain, Rani.

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I mean, is it ruby from the future?

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I think that would be ridiculous.

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I mean, personally, I just think it has to be dodo, recast, that

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have been great.

403
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And, you know, we just have to wait and see if it's like the one

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who waits, you know, because she's waiting on his seat.

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So who knows?

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Who knows who it would be, and I'm not even going to try and pick

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Russell's brain on this one, but I'm sure we will be surprised

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whether we're delighted?

409
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Well, that's another question.

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I think I think she's the split version of JD's doctor.

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Oh, man, by generated.

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She died on a cliff somewhere.

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It could be Taeun.

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Could be Te-Tayone.

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Could be.

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Hang on.

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Hang on.

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She died on a cliff.

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That's Una Stubbs at the end of the young ones, isn't it?

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Or at least with Cliff Richard in summer holiday.

421
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Oh my god, she's in his tubs.

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I still say it's dimensions in time and Russell's going to do the

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most evil thing he possibly can for the end of the year and he'll

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make that canon.

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And throw a little thing in just as he's very sweetly made Jody

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Cannon and reinforces that with every story.

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Just little moments.

428
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You know, mentioning the flux, little things like that.

429
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Just so...

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I'm an a fan.

431
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Yeah, just so the cranky fan folk out there can't say, never

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happened.

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I do like the fact that he sort of weaved in the fact that the

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doctor said that like he's he was found or adopted or that sort of

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thing.

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So, you know, it was done subtly it was done.

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You didn't have to, you know, have huge explanation about things

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in a way that when it was 1st introduced, it wasn't.

439
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So, you know, I kind of like that, you know?

440
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And there's the bond there.

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The bond between...

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Well, because remember that the goblins thrive on coincidence.

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And so what we have is the coincidence of 3 foundlings in the

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story.

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We've got Lulu Bell.

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Fantastic name.

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And we've got Ruby, and we've got the doctor, all of whom are

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foundlings.

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And I can't help thinking that that's going to play into whatever

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is coming up.

451
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All right.

452
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Does anyone have any closing statement?

453
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Yeah, I just want to say, like, I mean, I liked it and I enjoyed

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it, but I did have some problems with some of the direction.

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Okay.

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I felt at times in the flat with them at various points.

457
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I just thought some of the shots, you know, the doctor looking for

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Ruby and then her coming back.

459
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I just thought at times it was, I don't know what it was.

460
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They were just either held a bit too long or just the way it was

461
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don't know.

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There were just things where at times in the direction I just

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thought, hmm, you know, I just wanted this to be a bit tighter or

464
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there was just something that stopped me from being in it as much

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as the previous 3 stories where I was really invested and felt in

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it.

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Here I felt like I was observing a bit more rather than being in

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the action.

469
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I just felt that at times.

470
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Um, look, I would have to agree with you on that.

471
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So I, I, I mean, Overall, I found the episode very enjoyable.

472
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The cast was great.

473
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The soundtrack was great, but there was something missing the

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direction.

475
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Having said that What was quite pleasing to see was that.

476
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The production team. have taken the time to try and make sure that

477
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they liked the people of colour.

478
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Well, Yeah. in this series, which is a huge problem in the film

479
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industry, and the film industry where basically everything's a bit

480
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for white faces.

481
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Yeah, and that's so interesting.

482
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It's problematic.

483
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And they did not do it in this.

484
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And I'm hoping that's not a one off.

485
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Given like we've got a black lead and a number of black returning

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characters.

487
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It would be good to see that that is something they're actively

488
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doing, not just by chance, or because they had a black director

489
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this week.

490
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That was that was quite a positive thing to say.

491
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And Richard?

492
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I'm totally on board with all of your statements.

493
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It's funny, I was thinking the same thing watching it, that Todd's

494
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mentioned about the direction and the circular nature of moving as

495
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if you're in a spiral or in a mouse maze in the flat.

496
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But I thought that might be a meta nod to the way that time is

497
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both forwards and backwards and that Millie is discovering that

498
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her new friend is in fact a time traveller.

499
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But if that's the case, it may not have come over, and I might

500
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just be reading into something that, as Todd says, is actually

501
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just the director, making people run around to give us a sense of

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action.

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But I did get the sense that the repetition of the and the

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circular movements of the camera over and over again running

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through that little apartment was to sort of suggest that time is

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spiralling back and forward.

507
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:56.880
But if no one else picked up on that, then it probably didn't

508
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:57.180
happen.

509
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.859
All right, I think we might wind it up.

510
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:06.180
I do want to observe the fact that Mavity is still in operation.

511
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.500
So, uh, that's better to be explained. doing it forever.

512
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:11.819
That's it.

513
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.500
That's just the new thing in Doctor Who.

514
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:14.880
It's called Maavity.

515
00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:15.539
Oh, yes.

516
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.000
Just to screw over the fandom.

517
00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:18.539
You do it.

518
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:19.799
Yep, brilliant.

519
00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:20.640
Never explain it.

520
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:21.480
All right.

521
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:26.400
We have just finished... another bottle.

522
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:27.960
We've just finished another bottle.

523
00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:33.359
We've just finished FTE series 9 with our episode on the Husbands

524
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.319
of Reader Song, which came out on Christmas Day, when you might

525
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:38.759
have been busy with something else.

526
00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:42.000
So you could go back and give that a listen.

527
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:46.200
And we announce at the end of that that we will be back with FTE

528
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:51.299
for Christmas in July, and in the meantime, that we will be

529
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:56.099
appearing in a new by generated form as 500 year diary.

530
00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:02.039
So we've spawned not one, but 2 podcasts, and that will be coming

531
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.920
out sometime early next year.

532
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:09.420
We also have Startling Barbara Bain, which continues unabated, and

533
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:12.720
I think we're planning to release one more episode before the end

534
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:17.759
of the year on collision course, and we have maximum power

535
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.779
continuing to power its way through series C, and of course

536
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:25.740
untitled Star Trek project, we'll be back early in the new year.

537
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.700
I think that's all I have to plug.

538
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.660
Is that all I have to plug?

539
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.940
Do you ever rest, me?

540
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:33.539
I know.

541
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:37.559
How does he get the crumbs off the floor?

542
00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.079
I just think 2 hours cleaning.

543
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:41.940
He's made 4 podcasts.

544
00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:45.059
He has a very he has a very good scheduler.

545
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.579
Yes, that's exactly it.

546
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.460
Without her, broomstick attached to his bum.

547
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.640
So you can just do the cleaning while he's typing all day.

548
00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:55.140
I am not the broomstick.

549
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.099
Hello, darling.

550
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.200
All right.

551
00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:00.480
So in that case, all that remains.

552
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.319
So in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next

553
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.740
time, remember that the theory that all of the world's accidents

554
00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:14.759
are caused by goblins may be superficially plausible, it's

555
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.339
unlikely to be a valid defence to a charge of criminal

556
00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:18.000
negligence.

557
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.640
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

558
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.500
See you soon.

559
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.519
Ta-ta.

560
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:24.720
Good Vennings.