WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 11:57:17 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.939 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who Flashcast, which also has a gin and tonic division. 2 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.259 It's me. 3 00:00:10.380 --> 00:00:11.820 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:12.720 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:12.779 --> 00:00:13.800 I'm James. 6 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:19.800 And I'm an antiques roadshow collection of Nick Courtney's old stick on moustaches for this one. 7 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:25.920 Guess which one I am. 1970 story one. 8 00:00:25.980 --> 00:00:28.500 The one I'm shooting's top left. 9 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:30.300 Yes, it's really fake. 10 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:32.280 So there was a video release. 11 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.799 I think it looks convincing. 12 00:00:34.859 --> 00:00:39.719 I want to see them bring out all of Nick's old furies as well. 13 00:00:39.780 --> 00:00:48.060 I want them to end the season with the Clydesdale he was wearing by about the time of the season or something. such a thing. 14 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:48.780 Yeah, yeah. 15 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:59.100 There was a video released this week where Shooty sort of talked through his look and he has a slight blue tint in his hair, which is kind of exciting. 16 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:07.200 And it is a fake moustache and he said, I've got to stick on moustache because I've been playing a teenager for the last 4 years. 17 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:14.099 So presumably he can and will grow his own moustache for later episodes. 18 00:01:14.700 --> 00:01:17.879 All right, so we are watching. 19 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.280 No one said anything about Jody's, haven't they? 20 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:21.420 I'm so relieved. 21 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:34.799 So we have watched the Church on Ruby Road by Russell T. Davis, the Christmas special for 2023 and we have some hot takes to dish up. 22 00:01:34.859 --> 00:01:39.900 But first, let's acknowledge the return of Davina McColl to the show. 23 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.599 I just saw Shane Horrocks. 24 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:46.500 Jane Horrock's like, oh, do they nimical? 25 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:48.719 Finally, I realised who she was. 26 00:01:48.780 --> 00:01:49.260 Okay. 27 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.719 She's such a good sport. 28 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:53.579 She's really good, isn't she? 29 00:01:53.819 --> 00:02:02.340 To send herself up and allow herself to be injured in such wonderful ways and be and be killed off and then resurrected. 30 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:14.520 I mean, obviously, UK fans will know her much better than just the average viewer, say, here in Australia, but, you know, I just thought, oh, I thought it was quite delicious. 31 00:02:14.580 --> 00:02:21.479 Just, just, she was, she was able to really take the Mickey out of herself and I like the way they used her. 32 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:34.020 That pullback where the camera just pulls back to reveal, firstly, that she's got an arm in a sling and then she's in a wheelchair with a giant boot when she's on the call, is pretty funny. 33 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.979 Then it turns out the Christmas tree starts, and it stab it through the head. 34 00:02:39.300 --> 00:02:42.599 You know, Russell's playing on that, don't you? 35 00:02:42.659 --> 00:02:54.060 It's in so many of John Walter's interviews, he talks about as being a seminal memory for him. when the Christmas tree fell on grandma and he put it in a divine movie back in the early 70s. 36 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:55.199 I'm trying to remember which one. 37 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:56.939 It was female trouble. 38 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:57.360 It is. 39 00:02:57.419 --> 00:02:59.939 Well, desperately, it's the same thing. 40 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.139 And yeah, yeah. 41 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.219 So I know he said, you'll standby for lots more John Waters moments. 42 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:06.659 I hope it doesn't get too... 43 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:08.759 Yes. 44 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:10.919 Very much so. 45 00:03:10.979 --> 00:03:14.039 And she got trampled by a moose. 46 00:03:16.139 --> 00:03:19.800 She fell off a boat on dry land. 47 00:03:19.860 --> 00:03:22.500 I mean, it's so ridiculous. 48 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:23.400 So good. 49 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:24.900 I just kept laughing. 50 00:03:25.139 --> 00:03:27.060 Just terrific. 51 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.280 So we have the new doctor. 52 00:03:29.340 --> 00:03:33.120 We saw the new new doctor for about 15 minutes at the end of the last episode. 53 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:36.900 How do you think he acquitted himself this week? 54 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.159 And let's start with James. 55 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:47.699 James has the hottest and at least well considered hot take on this episode because he has just switched off the closing credits to join the call. 56 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:49.979 What did you think? 57 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:52.680 Oh, I really enjoyed it. 58 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:53.460 It was so much fun. 59 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:54.419 So much fun. 60 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:56.219 With 2 musical numbers. 61 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:57.360 So good. 62 00:03:57.419 --> 00:03:59.159 Well, a musical number. 63 00:03:59.219 --> 00:04:01.439 And, and, and, and reprise. 64 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:02.159 It was fantastic. 65 00:04:02.219 --> 00:04:03.599 So gay. 66 00:04:03.659 --> 00:04:04.680 Okay. 67 00:04:04.740 --> 00:04:05.759 And shooty? 68 00:04:05.819 --> 00:04:06.539 Oh. 69 00:04:06.539 --> 00:04:07.860 Oh my god. 70 00:04:08.580 --> 00:04:10.199 That voice. 71 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:11.460 Yeah, voice. 72 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:19.980 Oh, I probably shouldn't talk about this on this podcast, we might have to raise the raise the rating, put an explicit tag on it. 73 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.980 But he's doing the accent. 74 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:25.439 His own accent, isn't he? 75 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:27.720 Because you're getting Scottish. his own accent is Scottish. 76 00:04:27.779 --> 00:04:29.759 No, that is that's his accent. 77 00:04:29.819 --> 00:04:30.600 That's how he goes. 78 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.180 Okay, because I was hearing some islander in there. 79 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:34.860 He did a little bit. 80 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:40.980 There was an everything in there at one point, but basically I think, you know, you can hear the Scottish in his accent as well. 81 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.300 And I think I think it's being demonstrated the doctor should always be Scottish, I think. 82 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:56.459 Yeah, no, he's got a Scottish, real London, mixed, mixed accents, often you do when you come to part of the UK. 83 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:01.740 When you're as a child, you end up with a wonderful hybrid, an accident. 84 00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:03.480 Todd, what did you think? 85 00:05:03.540 --> 00:05:06.779 I think he is just extraordinary. 86 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:11.279 Last week when he, when the last episode when he came in. 87 00:05:11.939 --> 00:05:20.399 He made David Tennant, the guest star in the last 15 years, he suddenly was the doctor, and he was the doctor straight up from this. 88 00:05:20.459 --> 00:05:24.959 It's like Tom Baker taking over from John Pertree. 89 00:05:25.019 --> 00:05:27.839 Like, there's no, I don't think anybody's ever matched that. 90 00:05:27.899 --> 00:05:32.040 You just forget about John within a moment and it's Tom. 91 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:36.779 And here, shoot, he did it last week and and into this. 92 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.600 I don't think anybody has matched this. 93 00:05:39.660 --> 00:05:44.040 Matt Smith came close for me, but he just is the doctor. 94 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:46.500 Like I am just so impressed. 95 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:48.600 Richard? 96 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:51.240 What Todd said is actually really true. 97 00:05:51.300 --> 00:06:01.500 And I wasn't really considering that part of it because I was looking at all the other plotting and construction and and, you know, at Russell's old tricks. 98 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:25.019 I was chatting to friendly acquaintance of the podcast, John Richards, this morning about it, and he doesn't hold back in his opinions, you know, we all love John, and, you know, he's just so smart, everything he says, and he really didn't like this, and I had to say, I agreed with everything he said, but we didn't touch on Judy's performance, and it absolutely wins it over. 99 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:29.459 That, and seeing Jerry Hallowell again, back on the blocks doing that song number. 100 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:30.540 That was lucky. 101 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:31.800 She's looking well. 102 00:06:31.860 --> 00:06:35.759 Well, she, you know, a career revival. 103 00:06:35.819 --> 00:06:37.259 Don't expect too much. 104 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:38.819 But you're right. 105 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.220 It's the whole thing that they went through with Matt Smith, isn't it? 106 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:47.220 There was someone else they were considering they'd already interviewed, you know, they'd already done the tests and then they shooty came in and he did. 107 00:06:47.339 --> 00:06:53.339 Apparently, it was again, is this your understanding as well from all the bits we've been reading? 108 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:54.540 within minutes? 109 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.240 And he really does steal the scenes. 110 00:06:57.300 --> 00:06:59.100 He's just, he's electrifying. 111 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.839 You cannot not look at him when he's on the screen. doesn't even Anita Dobson. 112 00:07:03.899 --> 00:07:06.300 Even Angie. 113 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:07.620 Oh, by the way, that's who that is. 114 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.540 That is actually Angie from the old Vic and Dimensions in Time is now Canon. 115 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.100 You watch. tongue tune. 116 00:07:18.420 --> 00:07:20.879 That'll be Brian May, a husband. 117 00:07:20.939 --> 00:07:22.019 But yeah, I agree. 118 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:23.339 No, she's done the thing. 119 00:07:23.459 --> 00:07:25.319 Bruce Sanders. 120 00:07:25.379 --> 00:07:27.959 Like it was released as a single with lyrics. 121 00:07:28.019 --> 00:07:29.819 Call anyone can fall in love. 122 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.779 He's sung with a theme tune taste. to a millionnaire ex member of Queen. 123 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:34.680 Yeah, I suppose you could. 124 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.800 Shooty, shooty is extraordinary. 125 00:07:37.860 --> 00:07:51.480 I didn't even hate the clothes and I really didn't like the photos and I thought this is so tricked up and it's, it's so cash you cashing in on, on, you know, on the notion of a complete reboot and you've gone as far as you possibly can. 126 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:53.459 But it did look like my childhood. 127 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.300 I remember cop shows in the 70s with people dressed like that and every other thing. 128 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.920 And it was, he is so charming and how lovely is Millie? 129 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.379 Yeah, let's talk about her. 130 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:19.680 So, I had a little bit of a reservation about this because I always really liked Russell's less likeable characters, ranging from, you know, the 3 mothers and Neres and Adderley's. 131 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:25.800 This time he's given himself the challenge of creating 3 very nice people. 132 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:31.259 Um, uh, merely um, Carla and Cherry. 133 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.740 And um, I really liked. 134 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:36.779 I really found myself quite liking the family. 135 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:38.879 Yes, I agree. 136 00:08:38.940 --> 00:08:44.940 The family, it's quite a different kind of family from the ones he's written before. 137 00:08:45.299 --> 00:08:55.259 Like it's a, it's a non-traditional family and that, you know, we've got a foundling that has been adopted, um, which is common. 138 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:56.519 It's common. 139 00:08:56.580 --> 00:08:58.019 But it's obviously it's not there. 140 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.840 Like the, like the majority of society. 141 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:08.519 And The fostering experience was dealt with in quite a, quite a thoughtful way. 142 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:24.960 Especially when she is eaten in the past, that stark moment where the timeline changes and suddenly it shows how her mother never became the person that she she was meant to be. 143 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:30.419 There's that line in it somewhere earlier in the episode where she says, she made my life. 144 00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:49.320 Like having her make my life and and then you see that this like broken woman who never really found happiness or fulfilment because this child was taken, it really, that was quite moving. 145 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:55.620 I really liked how she says, I'm perfectly happy as I am. 146 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:03.299 Why would I need a daughter, and I think that that's such a clever line because it's telling us exactly the opposite. 147 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:12.960 And I did think some of that dialogue was a little bit too exposition-y because you had to sort of create this timeline in about 2 minutes before sort of heading off somewhere. 148 00:10:13.019 --> 00:10:21.299 Some of the dialogue was a little bit lacking in sort of subtext, but I thought it did what it had to do very quickly and did it pretty effectively. 149 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.220 Is that all you thought of that? 150 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:30.179 Because for me, that was the dramatic moment that saved the whole episode from being just another piece of Disney Christmas TV. 151 00:10:30.299 --> 00:10:31.320 Yeah. 152 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:41.340 When he showed how those actors could actually play drama and true depth and true tragedy in just a flick of a moment. 153 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.919 Because again, he pushed them very hard, very fast. 154 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:51.840 And that the woman who played Ruby's mother, I just think she's the most extraordinary thing I've seen on the show for, well, at least since the last episode. 155 00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:53.580 But, you know, she's fantastic. 156 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:57.179 Absolutely had me convinced and I wasn't willing to be. 157 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.100 So, yeah, just great. 158 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:01.679 Todd. 159 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:04.019 I thought Millie. 160 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.200 Had a great energy about her. 161 00:11:07.259 --> 00:11:12.960 She reminds me of, I don't know, I think it's perhaps Katie Manning in her 2nd year on the show. 162 00:11:13.019 --> 00:11:22.980 Like, there was just something about her, and her chemistry, which duty was fantastic, and I really, really loved her performance. 163 00:11:24.059 --> 00:11:27.299 Cherry and Carla. 164 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.980 I had problems with at the beginning because they would just seem to be so lovely. 165 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:41.519 Like, I am used to these characters not getting on with the doctor, but I just loved cherries whole line about getting a cup of tea all the way through. 166 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:44.759 I just kept laughing every time I came back to her and she's not getting her tea. 167 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:46.139 I thought that was great. 168 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.600 And picking up on what James said. 169 00:11:48.659 --> 00:12:00.720 It was just so good at the end when the timelines changed and just having them subtly shift those characters, you could see what those actresses can do rather than just playing nice. 170 00:12:00.779 --> 00:12:01.679 And I really like that. 171 00:12:01.740 --> 00:12:02.519 I thought they were good. 172 00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:06.299 And I look forward to seeing where things go with them. 173 00:12:07.139 --> 00:12:08.759 All right. 174 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:15.360 So yeah, let's talk about the goblins then. and the song. 175 00:12:15.419 --> 00:12:29.700 I have to say that I did come away from this episode thinking it was a little bit thin because you have 2 encounters with the goblins and there's not really any sort of obstacles to overcome and we sort of we very quickly defeat them and then we're off. 176 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:44.399 Um, But, uh, you know, it's a Christmas special and maybe it can afford to be a little bit less complicated and I think it's going to be the onboarding experience for a lot of people as well. 177 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:48.960 And so keeping it light perhaps is a thing. 178 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:55.860 But I did kind of think, you know, this is 54 minutes and it seems to have less incident in it than, say, partners in crime or Smith and Jones. 179 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.259 Look, I have to agree with you there. 180 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:02.460 I mean, I loved all the little goblins and I loved the look of the goblin king. 181 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:18.600 It would have been nice to have had some dialogue with the goblin king talking to perhaps the doctor or some kind of showdown just being stabbed and the whole thing ship disappearing because you kill the main villain and all. 182 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:23.039 And that changes all the timeline and they just that vanish. 183 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:24.659 But I loved the song. 184 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:27.419 I thought the song was so much fun. 185 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:32.220 And then, you know, when the doctor, Ruby, started singing to defeat that. 186 00:13:32.340 --> 00:13:37.019 Look, some people might complain about that, but I just sort of worked so perfectly in the context of the episode. 187 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:37.980 What else are you going to do? 188 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.019 Get them to sing along and escape? 189 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:44.759 I thought that was so much fun, but I do think that the whole, I agree with you, Nathan. 190 00:13:44.820 --> 00:13:48.480 Like there's not much incident there per se. 191 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:56.340 And so I did think that was a bit sort of rushed at the end or there could have been a bit more there to give things a bit more substance. 192 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.679 But it's a Christmas special. 193 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.940 I'm prepared to, you know, sort of let that, you know, slide to one side. 194 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:09.720 I mean, in a way, we have a lot of goblins early on before we get to the confrontation, which is around about halfway through the episode. 195 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:17.279 We just don't see them and it's like the unseen Doctor Who monster that kind of reveals itself at the end of episode one of a 4 parter. 196 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:21.419 You know, you see their hands and you hear them giggle and you see the photograph and all of that sort of thing. 197 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.980 But that moment where Millie comes in and just is clearly extemporising. 198 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:27.720 She can't think of a 3rd rhyme. 199 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.419 Isn't it like, you know, it's nice to meet you. 200 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:31.440 It's nice to greet you. 201 00:14:31.500 --> 00:14:36.480 It's nice to delete you or something like some stupid made-up word because you can't come up with a 3rd lyric. 202 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:39.600 Like all of that is just like, yes, I'm in this world. 203 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:41.460 I'm going to participate as well. 204 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.539 And Judy singing is so great and he's so effortlessly sexy. 205 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.879 Like he is so, do you know what I mean? 206 00:14:47.940 --> 00:15:04.860 He's just so kind of hot and self-possessed and yeah, like sexy and sort of, you know, even more so, I think, than tenant is when he's at his most sort of swaggering, dragging up in one of Jamie's old kilts to get up to the desk. 207 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.220 That's great. 208 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:09.240 That moment. 209 00:15:09.299 --> 00:15:11.220 I mean, that's unthinkable with anyone else. 210 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:12.960 I don't know, maybe Capaldi. 211 00:15:13.019 --> 00:15:15.899 But, um, actually. 212 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:17.279 He's been to the Inferno. 213 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:18.480 Yeah, that's right. 214 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:23.820 I was waiting for someone to actually come up to shooting and tell them that they dug his fab gear, actually. 215 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:25.500 I was a little bit disappointed. 216 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.019 What did you think, Richard of the goblins? 217 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:56.460 Look, again, I was sort of coloured by what John was saying this morning and he was just like really down on the whole Disney thing, but I've got to say, it's exactly what Russell's given us many times before, we've always loved it, putting in custard for Christmas, and I can't say that they have any less motivation than many of the characters we enjoyed back before 1989 as well. 218 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.120 I mean, really, they're just the cheater people with less hair. 219 00:16:01.019 --> 00:16:04.139 Really, I think they're just doing it for fun, aren't they? 220 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:04.980 Yeah, yeah. 221 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:10.080 I just had to laugh my head off with at that one that wanted to be eaten by the goblin king. 222 00:16:10.139 --> 00:16:11.700 It was so funny. 223 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.379 I mean, I will have one... 224 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:24.059 I will have one criticism of them is that in that song, I just felt that the lead singer, like the actual animation of her mouth to the lyrics just didn't fit for me. 225 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.419 Like I kind of thought it needs to be bigger and out there and I just never got that. 226 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.940 Like every time I cut back, I could have been anybody. 227 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.120 Like, I mean, that was the one criticism. 228 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:35.039 Yeah, manipulates the mouths to CG afterwards. 229 00:16:36.059 --> 00:16:39.480 To be fair, the spice scores were never really in sync anyway. 230 00:16:39.539 --> 00:16:40.860 So we can't believe Josh. 231 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:46.259 Did you notice with the goblins, did you notice there was a point where I thought, I know your faces. 232 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:49.139 I know, 0 my god, you've got Emma Stone's eyes. 233 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:51.480 All of you. 234 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:58.559 So, you know, the lead the lead singer of the that Goblin band is Janice Goblin. 235 00:16:58.679 --> 00:16:59.820 Yes. 236 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:00.539 Yeah. 237 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:01.440 Yeah. 238 00:17:01.500 --> 00:17:03.179 Hence, hit it, Janice. 239 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:04.980 Like, doesn't, doesn't the doctor say that? 240 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:06.119 Janice gone. 241 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:06.480 Yes. 242 00:17:06.539 --> 00:17:14.880 Apparently the woman who did it is just a sort of session singer and she was on social media going, oh my god, I'm in the credits of Doctor Who. 243 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:17.279 So she is sort of hugely excited. 244 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:26.339 I mean, the great thing about it is that that song has been out for ages and we've heard it and it's really, really catchy. 245 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:27.240 It really works. 246 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:34.920 And to top it all off, suddenly the doctor and Millie seeing at the end of it in a way that they dote in the released track and that's just tremendous. 247 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:35.700 It's so good. 248 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:36.720 So good. 249 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.200 Well, also, it did end up charting as well. 250 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah. in the week before Christmas. 251 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:44.220 I think got to number 12. 252 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:45.900 Oh that's adorable. 253 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:48.539 In the UK. 254 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:49.019 Yeah. 255 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:51.180 Oh, sweet. 256 00:17:51.299 --> 00:17:59.279 I did say it up around the top on the day of release, but obviously that was just a lot of middle-aged nerds downloading it on Spotify. 257 00:17:59.339 --> 00:18:01.200 All right. repeatedly. 258 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:02.880 That's right. 259 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:03.839 I had a script. 260 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:05.339 I wrote a script to do it automatically. 261 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:19.619 So we have one more thing. we have a character in this episode who is so important that she's able to break into the closing credits, and that's Mrs. Flood, who lives next door. 262 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:28.859 We spoke about her earlier, when I was a child in the 1st house that I lived in, Mr. and Mrs. Flood lived next door, and they gave me a Bible for my 1st birthday. 263 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:29.400 I know. 264 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:31.140 So they were very sweet. 265 00:18:31.259 --> 00:18:34.019 What do we think of Mrs. Fudd? 266 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:43.920 Do we have any Mrs. Flood related theories beyond Rani is an anagram of the word rain? 267 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:53.940 Look, I'm not even going to try, like there's so much stuff out there, like flood, river, pond, you know, and put all that. 268 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.880 You've already got flood, rain, Rani. 269 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:59.039 I mean, is it ruby from the future? 270 00:18:59.099 --> 00:19:00.720 I think that would be ridiculous. 271 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:05.400 I mean, personally, I just think it has to be dodo, recast, that have been great. 272 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:13.859 And, you know, we just have to wait and see if it's like the one who waits, you know, because she's waiting on his seat. 273 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.299 So who knows? 274 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:24.599 Who knows who it would be, and I'm not even going to try and pick Russell's brain on this one, but I'm sure we will be surprised, whether we're delighted? 275 00:19:24.660 --> 00:19:25.440 Well, that's another question. 276 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:30.240 I think I think she's the split version of JD's doctor. 277 00:19:30.299 --> 00:19:32.339 Oh, man, by generated. 278 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.019 She died on a cliff somewhere. 279 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:35.759 It could be Taeun. 280 00:19:35.819 --> 00:19:37.079 Could be Te-Tayone. 281 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:38.039 Could be. 282 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:38.759 Hang on. 283 00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:39.539 Hang on. 284 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:40.680 She died on a cliff. 285 00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:44.400 That's Una Stubbs at the end of the young ones, isn't it? 286 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:47.220 Or at least with Cliff Richard in summer holiday. 287 00:19:47.339 --> 00:19:49.259 Oh my god, she's in his tubs. 288 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:56.339 I still say it's dimensions in time and Russell's going to do the most evil thing he possibly can for the end of the year and he'll make that canon. 289 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:03.480 And throw a little thing in just as he's very sweetly made Jody Cannon and reinforces that with every story. 290 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:04.500 Just little moments. 291 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.779 You know, mentioning the flux, little things like that. 292 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:08.220 Just so... 293 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:09.240 I'm an a fan. 294 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:12.299 Yeah, just so the cranky fan folk out there can't say, never happened. 295 00:20:12.539 --> 00:20:22.920 I do like the fact that he sort of weaved in the fact that the doctor said that like he's he was found or adopted or that sort of thing. 296 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:27.000 So, you know, it was done subtly it was done. 297 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:35.940 You didn't have to, you know, have huge explanation about things in a way that when it was 1st introduced, it wasn't. 298 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.160 So, you know, I kind of like that, you know? 299 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:39.960 And there's the bond there. 300 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.359 The bond between... 301 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:45.480 Well, because remember that the goblins thrive on coincidence. 302 00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:49.200 And so what we have is the coincidence of 3 foundlings in the story. 303 00:20:49.259 --> 00:20:50.519 We've got Lulu Bell. 304 00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:51.779 Fantastic name. 305 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.460 And we've got Ruby, and we've got the doctor, all of whom are foundlings. 306 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:03.119 And I can't help thinking that that's going to play into whatever is coming up. 307 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.740 All right. 308 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.019 Does anyone have any closing statement? 309 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:13.920 Yeah, I just want to say, like, I mean, I liked it and I enjoyed it, but I did have some problems with some of the direction. 310 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:14.940 Okay. 311 00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:18.960 I felt at times in the flat with them at various points. 312 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:23.940 I just thought some of the shots, you know, the doctor looking for Ruby and then her coming back. 313 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.640 I just thought at times it was, I don't know what it was. 314 00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:30.660 They were just either held a bit too long or just the way it was. don't know. 315 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:46.619 There were just things where at times in the direction I just thought, hmm, you know, I just wanted this to be a bit tighter or there was just something that stopped me from being in it as much as the previous 3 stories where I was really invested and felt in it. 316 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.519 Here I felt like I was observing a bit more rather than being in the action. 317 00:21:50.579 --> 00:21:52.259 I just felt that at times. 318 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.339 Um, look, I would have to agree with you on that. 319 00:21:56.339 --> 00:22:01.140 So I, I, I mean, Overall, I found the episode very enjoyable. 320 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:02.220 The cast was great. 321 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:05.880 The soundtrack was great, but there was something missing the direction. 322 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:12.660 Having said that What was quite pleasing to see was that. 323 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:23.579 The production team. have taken the time to try and make sure that they liked the people of colour. 324 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:34.859 Well, Yeah. in this series, which is a huge problem in the film industry, and the film industry where basically everything's a bit for white faces. 325 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.440 Yeah, and that's so interesting. 326 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:38.279 It's problematic. 327 00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:41.160 And they did not do it in this. 328 00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:43.619 And I'm hoping that's not a one off. 329 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:50.460 Given like we've got a black lead and a number of black returning characters. 330 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:58.619 It would be good to see that that is something they're actively doing, not just by chance, or because they had a black director this week. 331 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.079 That was that was quite a positive thing to say. 332 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:02.640 And Richard? 333 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:06.299 I'm totally on board with all of your statements. 334 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:18.359 It's funny, I was thinking the same thing watching it, that Todd's mentioned about the direction and the circular nature of moving as if you're in a spiral or in a mouse maze in the flat. 335 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:29.819 But I thought that might be a meta nod to the way that time is both forwards and backwards and that Millie is discovering that her new friend is in fact a time traveller. 336 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:42.299 But if that's the case, it may not have come over, and I might just be reading into something that, as Todd says, is actually just the director, making people run around to give us a sense of action. 337 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:53.400 But I did get the sense that the repetition of the and the circular movements of the camera over and over again running through that little apartment was to sort of suggest that time is spiralling back and forward. 338 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:57.180 But if no one else picked up on that, then it probably didn't happen. 339 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.859 All right, I think we might wind it up. 340 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:06.180 I do want to observe the fact that Mavity is still in operation. 341 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.500 So, uh, that's better to be explained. doing it forever. 342 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:11.819 That's it. 343 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.500 That's just the new thing in Doctor Who. 344 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:14.880 It's called Maavity. 345 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:15.539 Oh, yes. 346 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.000 Just to screw over the fandom. 347 00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:18.539 You do it. 348 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:19.799 Yep, brilliant. 349 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:20.640 Never explain it. 350 00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:21.480 All right. 351 00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:26.400 We have just finished... another bottle. 352 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:27.960 We've just finished another bottle. 353 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:38.759 We've just finished FTE series 9 with our episode on the Husbands of Reader Song, which came out on Christmas Day, when you might have been busy with something else. 354 00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:42.000 So you could go back and give that a listen. 355 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:56.099 And we announce at the end of that that we will be back with FTE for Christmas in July, and in the meantime, that we will be appearing in a new by generated form as 500 year diary. 356 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:04.920 So we've spawned not one, but 2 podcasts, and that will be coming out sometime early next year. 357 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:25.740 We also have Startling Barbara Bain, which continues unabated, and I think we're planning to release one more episode before the end of the year on collision course, and we have maximum power continuing to power its way through series C, and of course, untitled Star Trek project, we'll be back early in the new year. 358 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.700 I think that's all I have to plug. 359 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.660 Is that all I have to plug? 360 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.940 Do you ever rest, me? 361 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:33.539 I know. 362 00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:37.559 How does he get the crumbs off the floor? 363 00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.079 I just think 2 hours cleaning. 364 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:41.940 He's made 4 podcasts. 365 00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:45.059 He has a very he has a very good scheduler. 366 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.579 Yes, that's exactly it. 367 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.460 Without her, broomstick attached to his bum. 368 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.640 So you can just do the cleaning while he's typing all day. 369 00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:55.140 I am not the broomstick. 370 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.099 Hello, darling. 371 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.200 All right. 372 00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:00.480 So in that case, all that remains. 373 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:18.000 So in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next time, remember that the theory that all of the world's accidents are caused by goblins may be superficially plausible, it's unlikely to be a valid defence to a charge of criminal negligence. 374 00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:20.640 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 375 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.500 See you soon. 376 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.519 Ta-ta. 377 00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:24.720 Good Vennings.