WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:31:24 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.000 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:07.139 bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast where half 3 00:00:07.139 --> 00:00:10.320 of the hosts are recording in their underpants and the other half 4 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:13.619 are going commando, and we'll let you imagine who's in which 5 00:00:13.619 --> 00:00:14.039 half. 6 00:00:14.099 --> 00:00:15.599 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:15.660 --> 00:00:16.980 I'm Brendan. 8 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.539 I'm James. 9 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.219 And I'm Simon. 10 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:25.379 Well, so we watched yesterday the last of the 60th anniversary 11 00:00:25.379 --> 00:00:29.460 specials, The Giggle by RTD and directed by Chanya Button. 12 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:33.960 I'm going to go round the table and try not to think too hard 13 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.159 about what everyone's wearing and we'll find out what people 14 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.320 thought of it just overall. 15 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:42.719 How did you find it, Brendan? 16 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:47.640 Can I just ask, is the commando Colonel Ibrahim in this instance? 17 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.119 Because I am 100% behind that. 18 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:55.259 We've had a hot unit commander in 2 out of 3 of these. 19 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.020 Yeah, it's a pattern, I think. 20 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:58.619 Yeah. 21 00:00:58.619 --> 00:01:01.799 I had misgivings. 22 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:03.119 I thought, oh, hold on. 23 00:01:03.179 --> 00:01:04.260 What don't I like? 24 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.060 Oh, I'm not entirely clear. 25 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.980 And so when I watched it again, it's like, right. 26 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.400 I'm going to watch this particular section very clearly to see if 27 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.799 it says what I think it says, I'm like, oh, it does. 28 00:01:13.859 --> 00:01:14.159 Okay. 29 00:01:14.219 --> 00:01:15.840 So my 2nd time through. 30 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.120 I was able to enjoy it a lot more. 31 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:21.659 There was like a few hours between those where I'm just kind of 32 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:24.000 sitting there going, I'm not sure I like that. 33 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:25.079 Not, no. 34 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:25.980 Mm. 35 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.780 What did you think, James? 36 00:01:28.260 --> 00:01:30.959 Uh, look, I really liked it. 37 00:01:31.019 --> 00:01:35.819 Uh, I was expecting a lot of what happened in the story. 38 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.640 But I was pleasantly surprised in how it was managed. 39 00:01:39.659 --> 00:01:44.400 The performances were just so enjoyable. 40 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:50.099 Uh, and we'll get to this later in the episode, of course, but, um 41 00:01:50.099 --> 00:01:51.780 duty amazing. 42 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:58.319 And and yeah, look, I mean, we knew, I think we most of us knew a 43 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.420 lot of what was coming in this story. 44 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.579 Uh, a lot of it had been spoiled um, over the last year, but not 45 00:02:05.579 --> 00:02:09.479 to extent that it ruined the enjoyment of the episode. 46 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:15.419 So overall, I was, yeah, there were moments when I was in, I was 47 00:02:15.419 --> 00:02:15.840 crying. 48 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:21.599 There were moments when I was punching the air, uh, and I, yeah, I 49 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:22.919 was really pleasantly surprised. 50 00:02:22.979 --> 00:02:24.060 Simon. 51 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:27.659 Well, I don't feel I was particularly spoiled. 52 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.479 Maybe I don't spend enough time online or maybe that means I spend 53 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:31.919 the correct amount of time online. 54 00:02:31.979 --> 00:02:34.800 I don't know, but I thought it was really, really good. 55 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:37.860 You know, I mean, obviously I have a few reservations on a couple 56 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:40.379 of things, but they're at the periphery. 57 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:43.800 The whole episode for me is about the fantastic performance of 58 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:48.780 Neil Patrick Harris and just the quality of that performance and 59 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:53.460 the detail he brings to so many parts of it is just so wonderful. 60 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:58.199 And what's great is to have a humanoid villain on the right side 61 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.120 of the chewing the scenery line. 62 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:00.960 Yes, he's big. 63 00:03:01.020 --> 00:03:01.979 Yes, he's chewing the scenery. 64 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.259 Yes, he's showering off and doing everything, but I am carried 65 00:03:04.259 --> 00:03:08.520 along with it absolutely every step of the way and that, for me 66 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.439 absolutely makes the episode. 67 00:03:10.500 --> 00:03:14.099 So I'm prepared to eat my words and the reservations I had about 68 00:03:14.099 --> 00:03:17.520 sort of RTD to from last week and this week, whilst again there 69 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.439 are some peripheral things that, you know, I wish were a bit 70 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:19.740 different. 71 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:21.840 I had 2 of the best weeks of my Doctor Who life. 72 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:23.819 Oh, wonderful. 73 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.159 I thought it was really tremendous. 74 00:03:26.219 --> 00:03:30.479 I was slightly spoiled because I had the idea that we weren't 75 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.099 going to say goodbye to the 14th doctor. finally. 76 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.080 But that was really all that I knew. 77 00:03:37.139 --> 00:03:40.500 And otherwise I was kind of largely unspoiled except for what I'd 78 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:42.900 seen in the trailers and things like that. 79 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.719 So that's exactly the right amount of spoiled, I think. 80 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:48.240 But yes, it exceeded my expectations. 81 00:03:48.300 --> 00:03:49.800 It was very, very clever. 82 00:03:49.860 --> 00:03:53.219 And it did a thing which I'll talk about a little bit later, which 83 00:03:53.219 --> 00:03:56.400 I think is long overdue in New Doctor Who, and which I'm really 84 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.580 looking forward to playing out over the next few years. 85 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.219 Let's talk about the beginning. 86 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.639 I think there's a few things that happen in this episode, and I 87 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.520 want to talk about just the very beginning when we were 1st 88 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.139 introduced to the toymaker in that opening scene back in 1925. 89 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:18.180 What do you think about how the Toymaker gets introduced to us and 90 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:20.819 how he works as a character in this context? 91 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:22.920 What about you, Simon? 92 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.879 The kind of comedy German accent where at 1st you're going, oh, is 93 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.879 this actually going where I want it to go, is quickly papered over 94 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.699 by the fact that, you know, the other guy into your accent when 95 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:33.420 he's kind of changing. 96 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.100 So he's definitely playing that up. 97 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.180 It's creepy. 98 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:39.360 Neil Patrick Harris owns the screen the 2nd he steps onto it. 99 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:44.279 It's that great typical old style mysterious opening to a Doctor 100 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:45.120 Who story. 101 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:46.800 So I really loved it. 102 00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:47.819 Brendan? 103 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.959 Yes, I very much enjoyed that 1st scene. 104 00:04:52.019 --> 00:04:57.720 And I think one of the lines that just made me chuckle was, it is 105 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.439 raining here with all this delicious splashing on the pavement. 106 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.740 I want to know how much, sorry, Brandon, I want to know how much 107 00:05:07.740 --> 00:05:10.560 of that was actually scripted and how much of that is, is 108 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.279 Adelaide. 109 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:12.839 Totally. 110 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:16.019 Yeah, there is an interview with Neil Patrick on YouTube just 111 00:05:16.019 --> 00:05:17.939 saying this is unlike anything I've ever done. 112 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.139 I'm like, well, don't puppetry. 113 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:19.800 I done juggling. 114 00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:21.120 I done dancing, I've done singing. 115 00:05:21.180 --> 00:05:22.740 I've never done them all in the one production. 116 00:05:24.540 --> 00:05:26.100 James? 117 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.019 What I love, what I love about that scene is that they are taking 118 00:05:31.019 --> 00:05:34.680 a character who has been problematically racist in the past 119 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:40.079 because of production decisions and making him deliberately racist 120 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.060 to show that he is evil. 121 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.379 That horrible comment about you, you know, oh, you're used to 122 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:47.399 sunny at times. 123 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:53.519 It's it's basically hanging a lantern on it and and also saying 124 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:55.560 this person is doing this because they are. 125 00:05:55.620 --> 00:05:57.899 I've asked it, basically. 126 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:02.579 I mean, I think that the interesting thing is that the original 127 00:06:02.579 --> 00:06:06.480 toymaker isn't played in Yellowface and Michael Goff doesn't do an 128 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.459 accent, but what it is doing is what Professor Lightfoot's 129 00:06:11.459 --> 00:06:14.939 character does in talons of Wing Chiang or what his family does 130 00:06:14.939 --> 00:06:18.180 they appropriate, you know, the culture of the place that they've 131 00:06:18.180 --> 00:06:21.180 kind of invaded and colonised or been involved in that. 132 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:25.560 And I gather that, um, Russell himself made some comment in 133 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:31.319 unleashed about kind of the idea of making the toy maker, a racist 134 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:36.660 as kind of a way of, a way of making him useable, I think, in the 135 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:37.439 current day. 136 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:39.720 And I think he works incredibly well. 137 00:06:39.779 --> 00:06:45.480 You know, his evil posh English accent was the accent that he does 138 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.759 that I liked the best, I think. 139 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:51.480 Although he's American, you know, I guess that's okay then during 140 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.339 the puppet show was also pretty great. 141 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.300 That's actually the most the most dark part of his accents 142 00:06:57.300 --> 00:06:57.540 actually. 143 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.199 It's it's, but I guess that's all right then. is actually the 144 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:02.699 darkest thing. 145 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:07.019 Look, I mean, I sort of, I'm not prepared to sort of agree or 146 00:07:07.019 --> 00:07:09.180 disagree with anything that you said there, James, because I think 147 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:10.199 that we don't really care. 148 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:15.000 You can't solve all of the deliberate or accidental bits of racism 149 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.459 from the show's history, particularly from the show's early 150 00:07:17.459 --> 00:07:17.939 history. 151 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.120 And I think that doing what they did in this just gives enough of 152 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.360 a little nod to the concerns that some of the audience will have 153 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:29.519 to say that, look, we know what your concern is, and look, where 154 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.740 we've tried to address it here, without making the whole thing 155 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:33.839 about it, because that would have just been utterly dumb. 156 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:34.379 Yeah, exactly. 157 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.560 I think that's the right level to pitch that. 158 00:07:37.620 --> 00:07:38.279 Yeah, yeah. 159 00:07:38.339 --> 00:07:41.639 So let's move on to the unit show. 160 00:07:41.699 --> 00:07:44.759 And for those people who are hoping for a unit spinoff. 161 00:07:44.819 --> 00:07:47.939 That's almost what this looked like. 162 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:49.740 It was a back door pilot for. 163 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.220 I'm still not convinced that our unit's been off has legs, but I 164 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:57.060 do think that this is a version of unit that we will actually see 165 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:58.319 going forward. 166 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:03.899 And of course, we see them investigating the mysterious sound that 167 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:08.040 has turned all of humanity into a YouTube comment section. 168 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:11.699 So what did we think about that? 169 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.060 Yeah, look, I quite like the unit set. 170 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.420 I think as an ongoing set for a TV series. 171 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.860 You kind of got a massive set with about 10 people sitting behind 172 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:23.699 desks in it. 173 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:27.839 But, you know, all looking at a screen. 174 00:08:27.899 --> 00:08:31.019 It's the Star Trek, the original series problem of everyone's 175 00:08:31.019 --> 00:08:33.659 hunched over their consoles waiting for something to happen. 176 00:08:34.259 --> 00:08:39.600 But that being said, I like this group of people. 177 00:08:39.659 --> 00:08:44.220 I like Kate Lithbridge Stewart and it looks like someone said to 178 00:08:44.220 --> 00:08:46.740 her, can you act a little bit more, please? 179 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.940 Peter can't be with us tonight, but I'd love to hear his thoughts 180 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:52.440 on the performance. 181 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:55.860 Of course, I love Ruth Madely as Shirley. 182 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.860 Melt back. 183 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:00.419 No, Mel, let's go. 184 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:00.899 Yes. 185 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.539 It's, that's, and that's amazing. 186 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.899 And, you know, we know that Aces don't work for Unit and Tegan's 187 00:09:06.899 --> 00:09:10.799 don't work for Unit and Kate offered everyone a job at Companions 188 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.019 Anonymous a few weeks ago. 189 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.379 So, and then you've got, yeah, silly robot man. 190 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.360 Yeah, what the hell's that? 191 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:19.799 It's the Links. 192 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.580 Was I supposed to know what was I supposed to know what that was? 193 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.440 No, you see, good. 194 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:29.820 It's deliberately there and I'm hoping that it's an ongoing 195 00:09:29.820 --> 00:09:33.299 character that he's literally never explained to us and that it's 196 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:36.299 just this sort of robot that they have and we have literally no 197 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:36.779 idea. 198 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:41.580 It's the morn from Deep Space 9 of this version of unit, and I 199 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:43.740 think that that would be actually pretty gray. 200 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:45.000 It is very funny. 201 00:09:45.059 --> 00:09:49.019 Russell is already on record as saying that character will return 202 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.559 in an upgraded form. 203 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:54.840 So perhaps able to actually move. 204 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.940 It did look like it was the cheapest part of the entire thing, if 205 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:00.539 I may say. 206 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:02.399 But I have to say puppets. 207 00:10:02.460 --> 00:10:04.620 I puppet villains. 208 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.179 I want there to be more puppet villains. 209 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:07.620 You like the return of the puppets, do you? 210 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:08.759 puppets. 211 00:10:08.820 --> 00:10:10.379 Heaps of puppets this episode. 212 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.600 All little creatures from the end of colony in space kind of 213 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:12.779 thing. 214 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:18.960 Russell was saying in interviews and hospital, so unleashed this 215 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:26.039 week that originally, as scripted, the villain of this story is 216 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:26.700 Spooky Bill. 217 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:34.500 And he got quite far through the drafting process before he 218 00:10:34.500 --> 00:10:36.480 realised, this isn't working. 219 00:10:36.539 --> 00:10:42.240 I cannot have this puppet menacing David Turner on a rooftop. 50 220 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.259 floors up. 221 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:44.639 What can I do? 222 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:46.740 He's a puppet or I need a puppet pasta. 223 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.539 Maybe a toy maker. 224 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:55.799 And also the idea of villainous puppets and a villainous toy maker 225 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.240 is in the zeitgeist at the moment. 226 00:10:57.299 --> 00:10:58.440 You have the Annabelle movies. 227 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:03.480 You have Megan, which, you know, I know that's an automaton rather 228 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.899 than a puppet, but it's in the zeitgeist. 229 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.500 But yeah, I think we're definitely seeing a bit of that. 230 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:10.860 Yeah. 231 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.820 Did everyone else jump when the puppet's mouth dropped open? 232 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.240 It's forcibly to believe it. 233 00:11:18.299 --> 00:11:19.259 No, exactly. 234 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.259 But isn't that isn't that something always freaky about those very 235 00:11:22.259 --> 00:11:23.700 primitive early television. 236 00:11:23.820 --> 00:11:25.919 Whatever it is, whether it's a real person or a puppet. 237 00:11:25.980 --> 00:11:27.779 It just makes it so demonic and strange looking. 238 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:32.940 It apparently didn't catch fire the 1st time it was used and it 239 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:36.360 was used in sort of public demonstrations of television, but it 240 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.259 did eventually get sort of horribly singed. incineration by 241 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:42.779 Wikipedia, whether it was human hair or not. 242 00:11:42.899 --> 00:11:45.419 Which. 243 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.440 But the other thing that I thought worked really well was just 244 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:54.299 them working out exactly what the giggle was and having Donna work 245 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.679 it out because she's clever, having Mel sing some arpeggios for us 246 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.100 after all these years, she's never sung on the show. 247 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:04.320 Using that wonderful musical theatre training. 248 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:05.220 Yes. 249 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:06.659 That's right. 250 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.159 Yeah, so I thought all of that was really just terrifically fun. 251 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:15.059 Isn't it wonderful to have Neil Patrick Harris do that whole Spice 252 00:12:15.059 --> 00:12:15.840 Schools routine? 253 00:12:15.899 --> 00:12:19.080 you know, using part as he said, he uses every single skill that 254 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.679 he has in the one piece of television drama and he just dances 255 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:24.059 that so absolutely beautifully. 256 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.379 And and it's shot like a video clip because you, you know, you'll 257 00:12:28.379 --> 00:12:32.220 cut to another shot and he'll be in that shot as well. suddenly be 258 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:32.340 there. 259 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:33.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 260 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:34.139 There's no logic. 261 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:35.580 There's no logic to how people are moving about. 262 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.879 He said, he said, he said to the production team. 263 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:40.860 So you got me doing a lot. 264 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:44.460 I mean, I can do this and I can do that and, you know, like, I can 265 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:48.600 do puppets, I can juggle, like, um, I think I can dance. 266 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:52.259 I mean, I can dance, but I've not had any lessons. 267 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.059 Well, he said, That's why we employed you, too. 268 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.100 I particularly love about that that dance thing. 269 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:07.259 You know, you know that Bonnie did all those spins herself and 270 00:13:07.259 --> 00:13:08.580 then they just had to speed it up a bit. 271 00:13:09.059 --> 00:13:14.399 And on 2nd viewing, on 2nd viewing, during those spins, I can just 272 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:20.759 hear a little bit of a scream in the key of F. Just... 273 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:25.200 It didn't take phantom that long to actually put that scream over 274 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.700 the top and post it to Twitter. 275 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.600 Marvel. 276 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.460 Of course. absolutely marvellous. 277 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.019 We're clearly back in 2023 now. 278 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:38.700 And it's not very long before the toy maker actually kills the 279 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:39.240 doctor. 280 00:13:39.299 --> 00:13:44.820 And I have to say that that did take me by surprise because we're 281 00:13:44.820 --> 00:13:47.279 about 20 minutes from the end of the episode then. 282 00:13:47.340 --> 00:13:49.740 Were people expecting that or not? 283 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:53.340 I wasn't, although I didn't have the little timer thing on the 284 00:13:53.340 --> 00:13:55.559 screen, so I didn't know how far into it I was. 285 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:58.559 I was actually a bit surprised that it happened sort of so 286 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:04.379 suddenly because it did feel a bit, um, I don't feel like I've had 287 00:14:04.379 --> 00:14:07.799 a climax quite the climax yet from that point of view, but then it 288 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.299 kind of, of course, the climax is then yet to come. 289 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:10.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 290 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:12.659 I was expecting it. 291 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:18.179 That's because I had a brain fart moment. on Sunday morning and 292 00:14:18.179 --> 00:14:24.120 clicked on Facebook before watching the episode and saw the scene 293 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.000 of them splitting in half and looking at each other. 294 00:14:27.059 --> 00:14:28.740 It's like, damn you. 295 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:29.340 Damn it. 296 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:30.720 I mean I knew it was coming. 297 00:14:30.779 --> 00:14:31.620 I'd heard. 298 00:14:31.740 --> 00:14:33.899 They're so inconsiderate and annoying. 299 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.700 I heard the split regeneration rumour, so I kind of knew it was 300 00:14:38.700 --> 00:14:41.820 coming. and then I saw it, I was like, 0 my, I mean, like, I knew 301 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:42.419 it was coming. 302 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.559 But also it was just so frustrating, but that didn't spoil the 303 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:47.279 scene. 304 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:51.600 Now the thing is, I'd heard about the split regeneration thing, but 305 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:57.120 I hadn't heard about it actually sort of emerging from the same 306 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:58.200 body, what have you? 307 00:14:58.259 --> 00:15:02.759 So that moment did still take me by surprise and it was only when 308 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.379 he's like, could you? 309 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:10.019 Oh, that I thought, oh, my god, like they're literally going to 310 00:15:10.019 --> 00:15:13.919 like pull them apart like a one of those American cheese string 311 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:14.279 things. 312 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:16.379 Yeah, yeah. 313 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:17.940 So I got a little bit. 314 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:21.120 I got a little bit of surprise from that, thankfully, but, you 315 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.399 know, Russell had also said a few months ago, you don't have to 316 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:25.019 wait for Christmas to see Chutie. 317 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:29.399 Shooty will be in the specials and I kind of went, just my 318 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.379 immediate thought was, oh, this is interesting. 319 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.460 We're kind of doing the reverse of the telly movie where one 320 00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:39.059 doctor has 2 thirds of the beginning and then the next doctor 321 00:15:39.059 --> 00:15:43.019 picks up straight away and yeah, it wasn't quite like that. 322 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.799 I would have preferred it if it had been more like that because I 323 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.259 think it would have been better if it had happened earlier. 324 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.639 Um, and can I can I venture my little critique of this now? 325 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.740 Or is this not the right time? 326 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:56.639 No, no, no. 327 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.460 I don't have a problem with the bi-generation stuff or bi 328 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.179 regeneration, whatever it is, fine. 329 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:00.899 It's a thing. 330 00:16:00.899 --> 00:16:03.600 And it's, I think it's interesting to have both actors. 331 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.460 And it's a way of doing sort of a mini multi-dog story. 332 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:11.580 I wondered whether, in hindsight, it was unfortunate, because 333 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:15.419 usually what happens is that the previous doctor explodes in a, in 334 00:16:15.419 --> 00:16:19.259 whatever bunch of light, and then suddenly he or she is the next 335 00:16:19.259 --> 00:16:19.559 doctor. 336 00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:25.080 And I've always instantly accepted that person is the doctor, even 337 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.399 though I already knew who it was going to be. 338 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:27.720 But you instantly accept it. 339 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.379 The problem with doing it this way is that Tenant is still there. 340 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:36.899 And so I think that it cheats shooty of that moment of those early 341 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:38.700 moments where he owns the role. 342 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:41.639 So I think if you're going to do this, maybe another way of doing 343 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.220 it, is for a start, have it a little bit earlier in the plot, maybe 344 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:47.759 during the 1st game that, that, um, you know, when, when it's won 345 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.080 all, that the doctor has with the toy maker, and, and the tenant 346 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.159 doctor is then knocked unconscious by the bi-generation process, so 347 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.860 that then you have shoot his moments in the sun for 10 minutes 348 00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:01.620 however long it is, and then tenant comes to, and they can have 349 00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:04.140 the multi-doctor bit for the rest of the episode. 350 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:08.099 I just worry that Chooty's been cheated of that full strength to 351 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:08.400 boo. 352 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:08.819 That all. 353 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:13.380 Except that he absolutely outdoes Tenant immediately right from 354 00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:18.180 the get go and makes himself his doctor much, much more exciting 355 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:19.440 than Tenant's doctor. 356 00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:22.319 Yeah, no, no, I'll pay that, yeah. 357 00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:25.380 Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit like, you know, bringing Tom Baker 358 00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:29.099 into a pertwee story for for Robot. 359 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.400 And, you know, he's got pert to his show around him, but he's just 360 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.839 much better than everyone else in it. 361 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:35.460 And so we're fine. 362 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.500 We're going to be okay with this new doctor. 363 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.660 And I think I think that Shooty here isn't better than everyone 364 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:47.339 else around him, but because Tennant chooses graciously, I think 365 00:17:47.339 --> 00:17:51.539 to downplay it and allow Shooty to have the floor. 366 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:56.460 And also because that doctor's character is so kind of beleaguered 367 00:17:56.460 --> 00:18:00.000 and tired and sort of miserable. 368 00:18:00.059 --> 00:18:04.500 You know, he told us at the end of wild blue yonder that he would 369 00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:08.279 get better, but it would take a 1000000 years before he felt any 370 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:08.700 better. 371 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.240 And, you know, you have Donna stopping him saying, you're 372 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.880 staggering from place to place now. 373 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:19.859 And so he's a much less charismatic character because he's so 374 00:18:19.859 --> 00:18:21.000 beleaguered, I think. 375 00:18:21.059 --> 00:18:25.559 And then when Judy comes along and isn't any of those things, it's 376 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:26.579 such a relief. 377 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:27.599 It's so wonderful. 378 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:32.400 And so instantly Tennant takes the place of the past doctor. 379 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:36.299 He's suddenly John Pertey and the 5 doctors instead of being the 380 00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:37.920 lead of this episode. 381 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:40.259 And I thought that that was really well done. 382 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.079 I think that's a fair enough view to a taken from it. 383 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.900 I just still felt, even though Shooty's much more dynamic from the 384 00:18:45.900 --> 00:18:49.019 get go, and tenant's kind of more retiring for one of a better 385 00:18:49.019 --> 00:18:51.660 description, it's because tenant is already there, tenant is 386 00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:53.279 established, that's what I'm talking about. 387 00:18:53.339 --> 00:18:57.539 Like it feels it feels too much like this character rather than 388 00:18:57.539 --> 00:18:58.559 the next doctor. 389 00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:00.180 It was just my takeaway from it. 390 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.920 See, I also have this thing. 391 00:19:01.980 --> 00:19:06.779 You know, in a Christmas carol where um, Catherine Sardic hugs 392 00:19:06.779 --> 00:19:12.299 young Catherine Sardic. like he goes to hit him. 393 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:17.460 He goes to hit his younger self, and sees the younger self flinch 394 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:22.380 and then hugs him, and there's that moment, and having Shooty be 395 00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:27.900 able to kind of help tenant through, you know, tenant's the man 396 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:31.619 who regrets, and he's talking about the people who've died, that 397 00:19:31.619 --> 00:19:34.799 hilarious comedy moment where Kate says, where are all the staff 398 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.859 on the, on the big laser gun? 399 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:41.819 And, And Neil Patrick Harris says, I think they're still falling. 400 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:45.000 And then you hear the sound of the... 401 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:45.839 That's dark. 402 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:48.900 That's very good. 403 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:53.279 And so you have shooty comforting him and making it okay for him, I 404 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:53.579 think. 405 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:57.000 And all of that where Shooty comes not just to save the day, but 406 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.140 to save the doctor. 407 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.519 I think that's pretty good. 408 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:06.180 My misgivings are similar to yours, Simon, for the 1st time I 409 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:11.099 watched it through, because all the way through Jody's tenure 410 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:15.359 there's all these crossovers in comics, video games, and Time Lord 411 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.420 Victorious, where Tenant is put in front of Jody. 412 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.180 And then, of course, she turns into him. 413 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:26.039 And I'm like, really starting off, Shooty Gatwaz era with a spare 414 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.220 David Tennant over in the corner that we can wheel out. 415 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.299 It was actually the 2nd go around where it becomes very clear that 416 00:20:33.299 --> 00:20:37.740 no, the intention is, the 14th doctor can retire and take it easy 417 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:41.460 because the 15th doctor carries on the work. 418 00:20:41.700 --> 00:20:49.559 But, but it's actually more nuanced than that, is that the 14th 419 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:54.660 doctor, all of the memories that he will have before he eventually 420 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:59.160 regenerates, are with the 15th doctor. 421 00:21:00.299 --> 00:21:04.200 I'm okay because you healed yourself. 422 00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:09.359 Like, he remembers everything to that doctor. 423 00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:15.240 That doctor is retiring with his adopted family and going through 424 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.440 the process of healing from the last, what is it, 4.5000000 425 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:19.619 years? 426 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:24.420 I didn't notice that the 1st time, the 2nd time around, it's very 427 00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:29.160 clear that he's actually saying, you know, you did the healing and 428 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:30.299 that's why I'm okay. 429 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.440 And the production team have gone on record basically saying that 430 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:38.099 bi-generation did not just happen to the 14th doctor. 431 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.000 It happened to every incarnation of the doctor to the very 432 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:42.720 beginning of the show. 433 00:21:42.779 --> 00:21:49.680 So there is now a split reality where William Hartnell goes on at 434 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.640 the end of 10th planet. 435 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:52.740 Patrick Towson on earth. 436 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:57.180 Like, it's, it's created a, what Russell referred to as the doctor 437 00:21:57.180 --> 00:21:57.539 verse. 438 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.160 I actually don't care. 439 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:00.839 Like, I mean, it was very nice. 440 00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:04.980 And if they want to do, you know, big finish audios on that basis 441 00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:05.460 fabulous. 442 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:06.960 You know, that's the extended universe. 443 00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:09.960 But sometimes I wish people wouldn't put too much thought into 444 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.140 these things because what matches is who they're going to cast to 445 00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:16.559 be the doctor in each of the seasons as we move forward and who 446 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:17.940 they do or don't invite to come back. 447 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.319 I think the show works best probably if Tennant doesn't come back 448 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.579 again, even though we get it hinted at that with his family, he's 449 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:27.299 sneaking off. 450 00:22:27.299 --> 00:22:32.039 I mean, we've already got one in the parallel universe, for God's 451 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:32.279 sake. 452 00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:35.039 Yeah, I know, we're just leaving copies of tenants all over the 453 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:36.119 place all through time. 454 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:37.559 Oh well. 455 00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:43.920 But I like that point, James, which I picked up as well, which is 456 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.819 and it's said with the most moffety line imaginable. you know 457 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:50.759 we're time lords, we don't do rehab in the right order. 458 00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:59.400 And so shooty goes off, enjoying the new outlook on the show that 459 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:04.559 was one because Tenant stays behind and has an adopted family and 460 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.039 Mad Auntie Mel and all of that, which. 461 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.839 Oh, look, I'm just looking forward to the big finish box set with 462 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:18.359 the 14th doctor and Mad Auntie Mel in that 20s New York. 463 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:20.220 Yes. absolutely. 464 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:20.940 So good. 465 00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.559 So good. 466 00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:24.119 Get up and take my money. 467 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:31.380 But I just wanted to say that the incredible thing was was 468 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:36.359 shooty's performance and how immediately sort of sexy he makes 469 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.019 that moment where they're splitting off and they're kind of 470 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:42.480 sharing a body and they're facing one another. 471 00:23:42.539 --> 00:23:47.460 You know, he's smiling super broadly and all of that and just kind 472 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.779 of how relaxed. 473 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.559 You know, he's in his underpants for that entire 15 minutes 474 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.380 because he gets half a turn. 475 00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:57.720 The rest of the show. 476 00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:00.119 So so he gets the shoes. 477 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:02.880 I mean, if you got it flaunted, I say. 478 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:04.799 He's got great spites. 479 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:06.839 He's got extraordinary thighs. 480 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.440 He does a lot of squats. 481 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:11.940 Evidently. 482 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.779 It's like, I mean, he's so relaxed and so sexy, and I think the 483 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:19.559 thing for me that this has done is something that I think Chibnal 484 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.519 tried to do, but backtracked on because he couldn't make it work. 485 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:28.799 But ever since Doctor Who came back in 2005, the doctor's been a 486 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:33.119 tragic hero in some sense, and so it's been the time war, then we 487 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.000 fix the time war, and then it's, am I a good man? 488 00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:43.559 And I remember when Capoldi left the stage and and Jody Whittaker 489 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.200 turned up and she looked at herself in the mirror and said 490 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:46.920 brilliant. 491 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:51.180 You know, I don't hate myself. this is the best thing ever And I 492 00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:53.220 thought, this is the era of man pain over. 493 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.039 And of course, it wasn't because Chibnell destroyed Gallifrey 494 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.160 again, just to put Jody into a Marty mood for series 12. 495 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:06.420 But I think that very much, Russell, now is going to do a version 496 00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:10.980 of Doctor Who, where the doctor isn't constantly saddled with this 497 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:15.299 sort of terrible angst and where we get to see him and Ruby having 498 00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:15.720 fun. 499 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:17.400 I'm looking forward to that. 500 00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.839 I will pay that. 501 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.839 I think that's great. if that's where we're going because I am 502 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.039 really sick of the angst. 503 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.700 My worry is, of course, they'll do that for 3 episodes and then 504 00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:29.099 there'll be a new angst thing to introduce, you know, because 505 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:31.380 sometimes these people can't help themselves. 506 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:38.220 He does touch on this thing in all 3 of the of these specials. 507 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.119 Do you know what I mean? 508 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:42.359 All 3 of the specials are working towards the moment where the 509 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.119 doctor decides to stay behind with Donna and heal. 510 00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:50.700 And I think that absolutely that this is indicative of where 511 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.900 Russell wants to take the show. 512 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.980 Yeah. 513 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:57.420 And, you know, that's juxtaposed with Donna, you know, we find out 514 00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:01.259 she's given away all her money, uh, et cetera, et cetera. 515 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.980 But she keeps reiterating how happy she is. 516 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.319 She's got a caring husband. 517 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:08.460 She's got a beautiful daughter. 518 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.759 She's got a better relationship with her, mom, her granddad's 519 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.420 being looked after. 520 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:16.920 Despite the problems of real life, which she alludes to with the 521 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:18.539 doctor saying, I'll go mad. 522 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:22.380 And she's like, yeah, it does drive you mad, but you've got this 523 00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:24.660 amazing life while it drives you mad. 524 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.000 It's kind of a closure. 525 00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:30.180 I didn't know I needed for Donna because, you know, when we see 526 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:33.119 Donna previously, it's like she's got a lottery win and she's 527 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.799 marrying Sean and everything's fine. 528 00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:37.859 It's like, yeah, except she's lost this thing and then we, you 529 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.599 know, we come back and she's given away all the money. 530 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:46.740 Um, It's then this message that she still has the life she chose 531 00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:48.420 making her very, very happy. 532 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:53.700 There's that brilliant moment where Kate offers her a job for 60 K 533 00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:58.319 a year and Donna just says 100 K and 5 weeks off and she gets it 534 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.079 and she just, oh, my good. 535 00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:02.099 Yeah. 536 00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:06.960 Whereas I think Kate's going, the salary is 100, but I'll tell her 537 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.059 60 and she won't take. 538 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:15.420 For that brilliant moment as well in that scene with Donna and Mel 539 00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:20.099 working together on the computers, you know, fastest type of in 540 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.700 choosing. 541 00:27:20.819 --> 00:27:22.319 But she could also code. 542 00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.400 That's some secretarial, Collie. 543 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.019 Well, remember, she does subconsciously tap the knowledge of the 544 00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:31.680 doctor. 545 00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:32.099 That is true. 546 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.000 Yes, of course. 547 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:34.859 Oh, yeah. 548 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:38.220 Yeah, remember, way back in Journey's End, she can realign the 549 00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:39.779 Dalek path web quicker than anyone. 550 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:40.740 Yeah. 551 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.500 I'd just delete that period of the show from my memory. 552 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:44.460 Wow. 553 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.240 That's the one you delete. 554 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:51.960 Yeah, that's right. 555 00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:53.400 Season 20 is right there. 556 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:54.599 All right. 557 00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:57.119 Well, in that case, I'm just going to plug a few things. 558 00:27:57.180 --> 00:28:01.680 We have our FDE series 9 coverage, which finished on Sunday. 559 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:03.299 So you can catch up with that. 560 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.759 It was our series 9 retrospective. 561 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.579 And of course, on Christmas Day, we will be releasing the 562 00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:12.299 Christmas special, the Husbands of River Song. 563 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.380 Startling Barbara Bain continues to exist, and there's every 564 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:19.079 chance we'll record an episode at the end of this month. 565 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:24.059 And of course, maximum power is continuing to release series C 566 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:29.039 episodes, and untitled Star Trek project has ended a triumphant 567 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.779 year with a commentary on Star Trek for the Voyage Home. 568 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:39.059 And of course, we will be back here at the 2nd great and Bountiful 569 00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:44.460 Human Empire sometime very soon after Christmas and the Christmas 570 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.039 special, the church on Ruby Road. 571 00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:50.819 All that remains is for me to say, until next time, you probably 572 00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.599 need to stop buying bone broth and synthetic androgen supplements 573 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:56.160 from Trinity Wells. 574 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.500 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 575 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.299 Good night. 576 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:01.740 See you soon. 577 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:02.700 Bye bye. 578 00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:05.519 Trinity Wells. 579 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:06.960 She's back. 580 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:07.799 That's amazing.