WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:32:09 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.700 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to the 2nd Great and 2 00:00:02.700 --> 00:00:06.360 Bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast that didn't 3 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.359 vote for the leopards eating people's faces party. 4 00:00:09.419 --> 00:00:11.580 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:12.300 I'm Adam. 6 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.380 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:14.640 I'm James. 8 00:00:14.699 --> 00:00:16.140 I'm Peter. 9 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.199 I'm Simon and I'm Todd. 10 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:25.980 So we are here to talk about the final episode of this series, and 11 00:00:25.980 --> 00:00:31.620 indeed this era of Doctor Who, the reality war by Russell T. Davies 12 00:00:31.620 --> 00:00:37.259 and I am going to do a quick whip round the table for 1st 13 00:00:37.259 --> 00:00:38.280 impression. 14 00:00:38.340 --> 00:00:40.560 Because that's what we do here. 15 00:00:40.619 --> 00:00:44.159 So let's start with, I don't know, Todd. 16 00:00:44.219 --> 00:00:50.579 I really, really enjoyed the 1st half and I, and then the 2nd half 17 00:00:50.579 --> 00:00:53.039 I quite liked, but I think it's got a few problems. 18 00:00:53.100 --> 00:00:56.039 I think that sounds fair What about you, Brendan? 19 00:00:56.100 --> 00:01:03.420 I enjoyed even more of it than Todd in the in the highly enjoyed 20 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:04.260 sector. 21 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:08.099 I would say I highly enjoyed the 1st 62 minutes. 22 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:10.739 Very precise. 23 00:01:11.340 --> 00:01:17.519 Well, there's a pronounced difference in my feelings after that 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:17.819 point. 25 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.939 We will definitely get to that, I think. 26 00:01:21.299 --> 00:01:22.739 Adam. 27 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.560 I, it's bonkers. 28 00:01:25.620 --> 00:01:28.560 Like, I enjoyed how ludicrous it was. 29 00:01:28.620 --> 00:01:32.579 I did get to what felt like the end of the episode and it was 30 00:01:32.579 --> 00:01:36.780 about 45 minutes and went, oh, I'll just pop off and make a cup of 31 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:38.519 tea before I record my podcast. 32 00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:42.959 And when I pressed pause, I'm like, oh, there's 20 more minutes 33 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:47.280 and they were 20 glorious minutes of surprises and fun. 34 00:01:47.340 --> 00:01:48.599 So I was like, oh, okay. 35 00:01:48.659 --> 00:01:49.620 This is good. 36 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:50.879 Extra doctor. 37 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:54.180 What about you, Peter? 38 00:01:54.540 --> 00:01:58.920 I was brutally disappointed by this episode, but there were things 39 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.939 which I enjoyed in it, particularly around Archie Punjabi, as 40 00:02:02.939 --> 00:02:07.079 Darani, who I just think was fantastic in every scene, even when 41 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:07.739 she didn't have much. 42 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:12.180 And I continue to really love Verada as the companion. 43 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:13.860 Even when she isn't given very much. 44 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.319 She just absolutely shines on screen. 45 00:02:16.379 --> 00:02:19.680 And so any scene that had either of them or preferably both of 46 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.560 them, I was on board with. brilliant And Simon. 47 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:27.240 Well, I wasn't bitterly disappointed because to be honest, I 48 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:29.280 wasn't expecting to think it was brilliant. 49 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:33.120 I mean, I'm on record and not be a particular fan of RDD and a 50 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.520 particular fan of his finales either. 51 00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:38.819 And I, let's just say this very much lived down to my expectations 52 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:39.419 I'm afraid. 53 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.819 I mean, there's much to fun in it. 54 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.020 There's things to enjoy in it. 55 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.259 You know, I love some of the cast is what PT was saying, but I do 56 00:02:46.259 --> 00:02:49.620 think that this one in particular, a big hot mess. 57 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:50.639 I'm really sorry to say. 58 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.360 And James. 59 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.599 Threesomes, why, Simon, what wasn't the hugest fan of this episode 60 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.879 are the reasons that I love it. 61 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.979 Because it is a bit. 62 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:07.319 It's not perfect. 63 00:03:07.379 --> 00:03:09.780 But I enjoyed every minute of it. 64 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.479 He also loved me, James because I'm a big hot mess. 65 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:18.599 I have to say that like the hot mess thing, it is a hot mess and I 66 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.419 think it's a hot mess for kind of unavoidable production reasons. 67 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.199 But in fact, the 1st 35 minutes until we kind of get rid of Omega 68 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.020 all seems to me to be actually really rather straightforward. 69 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.439 And so let's talk about those first. 70 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:35.159 We're halfway through the episode and the big problem is solved. 71 00:03:35.219 --> 00:03:38.939 We get an out of the way in less than the time that a normal 72 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:39.599 episode would last. 73 00:03:39.659 --> 00:03:40.259 Yeah. 74 00:03:40.259 --> 00:03:43.860 So let's talk about that. essentially, we get the gang back 75 00:03:43.860 --> 00:03:44.340 together. 76 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:50.520 We get the Rani visiting, Mel and the Rani meet at last, and then 77 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:54.120 obviously we all head off to the Bone Palace. 78 00:03:54.180 --> 00:03:59.400 So how do we feel that part of the episode worked? 79 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.520 Let's say, Brendan. 80 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.939 I was pretty satisfied with that part. 81 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:10.439 I think that Yasmin Finney continues to be underutilised. 82 00:04:10.500 --> 00:04:13.020 But then again, what is a 16 year old's job at unit? 83 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:13.919 You know? 84 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.220 She... 85 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.540 Yeah, yeah. 86 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:19.079 Right. 87 00:04:19.139 --> 00:04:19.560 Not quite. 88 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.000 Better copying. 89 00:04:21.060 --> 00:04:23.040 She holds a mean clipboard, I think. 90 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:25.139 If they thought about more, she could have predicted some 91 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:25.379 weather. 92 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:32.279 But, but, you know, they do they do make sure that they 93 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.420 acknowledge the fact that her character is trans because that's 94 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:39.899 why she wasn't there because Conrad's just like, you're not a real 95 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:45.180 person, you know, and it makes the point we made about Conrad last 96 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:48.959 week about how Conrad marginalises people who don't fit into his 97 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:50.100 very narrow viewpoint. 98 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.899 It restates the premise of last week without it having to be an 99 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:56.459 info dump, which I really appreciate. 100 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.779 And of course, what was the 1st story I saw on premiere? 101 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:02.100 It was Time and the Rani. 102 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.399 So, look, there wasn't enough melon Rani scenes together, but at 103 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.300 least there was a melon Rani scene and brilliantly acted it was 104 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:12.600 too. 105 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:17.339 I'm disappointed that there wasn't a scene of the Rani 106 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:18.600 pretending. 107 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.040 Belinda. 108 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:26.879 Like he's going, no, doctor, I'm totally your companion, Belinda 109 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:32.939 would have loved if they'd flipped the script and maybe had Mel 110 00:05:32.939 --> 00:05:35.939 dressing up as the Rani to fill Mrs. Blood. 111 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.220 I was going to say that, Peter. 112 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:39.060 I was hoping that. 113 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.220 By the way, I had the leather. 114 00:05:41.339 --> 00:05:46.259 I had an eerie about why when Mel removes her helmet, she suddenly 115 00:05:46.259 --> 00:05:49.680 has a full head of curly hair because she's got really lank hair 116 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:50.579 when she gets on the bike. 117 00:05:50.699 --> 00:05:54.300 It's because of Anita holding the door open or the regular time 118 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:54.959 coming through. 119 00:05:55.019 --> 00:05:58.620 It was her actual hair from 1988. 120 00:05:58.740 --> 00:05:59.759 I think... 121 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.879 I'm not Borg 9 being alive. 122 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:07.139 I'm really sorry, but I'm not even convinced her hair from 1988 123 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:08.819 was actually her hair from 1988. 124 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.180 I will give some praise to Bonnie because while I absolutely adore 125 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:19.139 her in her original iteration as Mel and also in her comebacks in 126 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:20.220 the 21st century. 127 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:24.060 The fact that she managed to channel so perfectly, time in the 128 00:06:24.060 --> 00:06:27.600 Rani mill, when she was calling the Rani, so utterly evil, or 129 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:28.800 whatever it was you were saying. 130 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:30.540 I absolutely abhorred. 131 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:31.439 Yes. 132 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:32.040 Yes. 133 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:32.939 So good. 134 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:33.540 Oh, dear. 135 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:36.480 I just love Anita coming back in the use of this. 136 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:40.980 A time hotel to get the gang back together and just all of those 137 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:44.040 sequences and all that you said, like the showdowns with the Rani 138 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.560 Mrs. Flood, and everybody meeting together. 139 00:06:46.620 --> 00:06:49.319 I just really enjoyed it and, you know, the whole unit stuff 140 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.360 against the the bone monsters. 141 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:53.819 I was just really engrossed by all of that. 142 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.879 I just thought it was so much fun and we were getting answers to 143 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.399 things and I was getting, I was very satisfied. 144 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:03.360 Look, I, I, I, this comes back to the hot mess thing. 145 00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:05.459 I mean, one of the things that I have a problem with most of the 146 00:07:05.459 --> 00:07:11.339 RTD finales and they seem to get exacerbated as time has gone past 147 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:14.339 is that they basically, and this one in particular is guilty of it 148 00:07:14.339 --> 00:07:17.579 is that it's a whole lot of shouting exposition with a whole lot 149 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:20.939 of CGI and relatively meaningless action sort of in between. 150 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.279 So for me, it's just a whole lot of sort of sound and fury 151 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:24.600 signifying nothing, I'm afraid. 152 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:27.899 It's sort of, it's just stuff happening without me actually 153 00:07:27.899 --> 00:07:30.060 feeling engaged with the stuff that's happening. 154 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:31.680 If I can put it in those terms. 155 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:33.899 Oh, you've got to watch The Wheel of Time. 156 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:34.560 That's every episode. 157 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:41.459 I think that this was a thing that we needed to do in the final 158 00:07:41.459 --> 00:07:45.360 episode of this era, because this era different from the other RTD 159 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:50.040 era, because the doctor ends up in meshed in the family and friend 160 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:54.360 groups of his companion in the RTD one era. 161 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:56.399 Here he has his own one. 162 00:07:56.459 --> 00:07:59.579 And in fact, by becoming his companion, you become part of that 163 00:07:59.579 --> 00:08:00.000 group. 164 00:08:00.060 --> 00:08:01.560 And we see that with Ruby. 165 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:03.060 We see it with a knee to here. 166 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.199 We see it with Mel. 167 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:08.819 We see it with Kate, and the beautiful Colonel Ibrahim, and not to 168 00:08:08.819 --> 00:08:10.199 mention the links. 169 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:12.839 And I love that. 170 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:16.079 Like, I love that right from the giggle. 171 00:08:16.139 --> 00:08:18.720 It was one of the things that I really liked about the giggle was 172 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:20.759 that new unit setup. 173 00:08:20.819 --> 00:08:24.420 And here, you know, just getting them all back together and it's 174 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:27.360 like, we're now together, we can solve this problem together. 175 00:08:27.420 --> 00:08:30.540 And so it's not a thing that just the doctor does. 176 00:08:30.779 --> 00:08:32.700 The doctor doesn't go off on his own to solve the problem. 177 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:34.019 Ruby goes off. 178 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.519 The doctor goes off, and everyone else gets to do weird things 179 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.279 with the thing and fire beams at the bone monsters. 180 00:08:41.340 --> 00:08:46.200 And I have to say that I think spectacle is fun and good. 181 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:50.759 It's television because it's vision and I think that was sort of 182 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.799 particularly memorable and something that you would never see 183 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:53.519 anywhere else. 184 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:56.700 I think, giant boned dinosaurs attacking a skyscraper. 185 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.019 They need to just put some skin on them and then import them back 186 00:09:01.019 --> 00:09:03.419 to 1974. 187 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.940 Can you imagine the brigadier with the big wheel? 188 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:11.159 No, I can't, but I can imagine Sergeant Fenton. 189 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:14.580 Love a big wheel. 190 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.940 Having recently seen Seeds of Death, I thought she was controlling 191 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:18.720 the temperature. 192 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:24.240 It'll be 55 degrees centigrade again in no time at all. 193 00:09:25.379 --> 00:09:28.620 Five degrees to port, Mr. Benton. rapid. 194 00:09:30.539 --> 00:09:36.179 All right, so then we obviously go off and do the thing. 195 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.279 And so let's talk about the Rani and Omika. 196 00:09:39.059 --> 00:09:40.980 It won't take very long. 197 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.980 No, mate. moment. 198 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.340 Probably less time than it took for him to swallow her. 199 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:49.379 He doesn't have a throat. 200 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:50.759 That's an improvement. 201 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.340 Nothing. 202 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.559 That hand comes out. 203 00:09:55.620 --> 00:09:56.580 It does have skin on it. 204 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.340 So he's not entirely sort of feet a skeleton. 205 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.980 And I do kind of like the fact that he's like a baby under 206 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:04.679 skeleton because he's a time thing. you know, it's both ends of 207 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.899 the human lifespan together at last. 208 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:15.240 But for me, the Rani always had this kind of supremacist thing 209 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:15.539 going. 210 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:17.159 She's a racist, right? 211 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:18.960 Lucertians don't matter to her. 212 00:10:19.019 --> 00:10:21.840 She has opinions about Lucertians, but she's not interested in 213 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.240 them and she can kill them all and she doesn't mind too much about 214 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:24.539 that. 215 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.820 And here it becomes really explicit. 216 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:32.580 She's she has the chance to go for a new modern woke galafray with 217 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:35.220 you know, poppy and and the doctor and stuff. 218 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.240 But she goes, no, I'm going back to the old, you know, as old as 219 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:39.720 possible. 220 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.740 And this is very much her comeuppance that that version of 221 00:10:43.740 --> 00:10:45.659 Gallifre wants to eat her alive. 222 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:53.100 Are we sure there just wasn't a joke on Russell's behalf where the 223 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:55.440 Rani's experiment at the president's cat. 224 00:10:55.500 --> 00:10:57.779 And so in turn, omega et the rani. 225 00:10:58.139 --> 00:11:00.000 Oh, that's great. 226 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:03.419 It does lead to the best line in the entire episode. 227 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.419 Oh, that's it for the 2 runnies. 228 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:07.500 That from me. 229 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:12.600 It's a long game for a really old punchline. 230 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.620 Showing his age there, I think, in writing. 231 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.120 That played better among this group, I think, possibly than the 232 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:21.779 general audience. 233 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:24.899 And we are, after all, the core demographic of this show. 234 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.240 Maybe, maybe we are. 235 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:31.740 Ageing homes, maybe. more demographic. 236 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:39.899 Todd, were you expecting Ian Collier to walk through that portal 237 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:41.639 into the Rani's laboratory? 238 00:11:41.700 --> 00:11:43.080 I didn't know. 239 00:11:43.139 --> 00:11:43.799 I was in 2 minds. 240 00:11:43.860 --> 00:11:47.340 I thought, we're either going to go to take the way, you know 241 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:50.460 you've become a god, so you're going to be a big creature, and 242 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:53.159 we're going to dispose of you quite quickly, which of course is 243 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.799 what we did, and we wrapped all that up quite succinctly. 244 00:11:55.860 --> 00:11:59.519 Or we're going to go like the 3 doctors costume and that would 245 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:04.019 then lead to another 25 minutes of having to defeat a humanoid 246 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:06.840 villain and then it's still having the Rani there. 247 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:10.740 And so obviously, you know, decisions were made and that's the way 248 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:12.120 and that's the way we went, you know? 249 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:13.860 And I'm okay with it. 250 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.580 It's a little known fact that, that, um, Baby Feet is actually 251 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:18.600 based on P.J. 252 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:19.019 Jefferson. 253 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:21.480 Okay. 254 00:12:23.340 --> 00:12:28.200 It all sort of feels like, you know, we've decided we're going to 255 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.240 do this and then, oh, no, no, we're not going to decide to do this 256 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:31.259 going to decide to do something else. 257 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.039 It's almost as if Rascal was writing, um, you know, in an airport 258 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.720 lounge um, on his laptop and a closed board had saved properly and 259 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:42.179 then kept writing where he thought he was up to when he got on the 260 00:12:42.179 --> 00:12:47.460 plane and was missing the kind of, the, the, the, the, where 261 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:48.960 something actually meaningful happens. 262 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:51.299 I don't know might take her. 263 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.159 I thought it was unfortunate. 264 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.639 I thought that there was a lot of exposition in that scene 265 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:59.460 beforehand to just... 266 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.059 Just to set up a scene where the monster comes and eats the Rani 267 00:13:03.059 --> 00:13:06.179 which I didn't think needed a great deal of supporting explanation 268 00:13:06.179 --> 00:13:06.600 to be honest. 269 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:08.100 But there we are. 270 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:09.720 I actually happen. 271 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.679 Oh, you know what I... don't know. 272 00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:18.419 You know what I think happened is that Russell T. Davis has looked 273 00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:24.000 at the fury online about the timeless child, the whole retconning 274 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.379 galafray thing and gone. 275 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.960 Oh, what do they hate more than anything? 276 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:31.440 reworking the time lord. 277 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:33.539 Let's have a chat about how they're sterile. 278 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.019 That'll get Ian Levine in a twist. 279 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:40.620 Is something about looms? 280 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:45.539 Do you know what my theory is about that is that that doesn't 281 00:13:45.539 --> 00:13:49.559 actually work in any context outside an abandoned series 3. 282 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:54.000 And I think that there are little bits and pieces here and earlier 283 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.320 in the season that are kind of leading up to something that's 284 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:59.700 going to happen in series three. 285 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:04.200 I think it's possible that Poppy, uh, the search for Poppy is part 286 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:04.980 of series three. 287 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:08.940 And I think the fact that the doctor says that he hasn't had Susan 288 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:10.799 yet at some point. 289 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:13.980 But now he's sterile. 290 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.500 How does Susan fit in? 291 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:18.120 And of course, she's completely absent. 292 00:14:18.179 --> 00:14:19.799 She disappears from this episode. 293 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:23.700 And I think they're both things that were casualties of just not 294 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:24.720 getting a series 3. 295 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.559 And it's the sort of thing that we saw at the end of series 2. of 296 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.860 you know, Russell's 1st era where all of this staff, all of the 297 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:36.600 kind of other shoe that was going to drop, never happens because 298 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.480 Billy decides that she's going to leave. 299 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:42.240 And Anita also talks about the boss, you know? 300 00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:45.720 And so it does lead me to think that there are quite a few threads 301 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.899 here in the 2nd half of the episode that, you know, we don't see 302 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:53.279 Susan, as you've mentioned, and what is it with Poppy, there's all 303 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.019 these threads that are left unanswered. 304 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.139 I wouldn't be surprised if the search for Hoppy rather than being 305 00:14:58.139 --> 00:15:00.299 an entire series three, I wouldn't be surprised if that was going 306 00:15:00.299 --> 00:15:01.679 to be the Christmas special, for instance. 307 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:02.879 That's possible too. 308 00:15:02.940 --> 00:15:06.600 That feels like it could be right, but really, who knows? 309 00:15:06.659 --> 00:15:08.399 Because I'm not entirely, I hate to say it. 310 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:10.019 I hate to bring this kind of thing up. 311 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.960 But I'm not entirely sure Russell has quite thought that far 312 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:13.500 ahead. 313 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.379 I think he just likes to plant things that he might pick up later 314 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:17.820 and do something with. 315 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:21.539 And that's absolutely a thing that lots of shows do, I think, to a 316 00:15:21.539 --> 00:15:21.840 good effect. 317 00:15:21.899 --> 00:15:24.659 I mean, Claire Bloom. we know who she is yet? 318 00:15:24.779 --> 00:15:26.340 Doctor's mother. come on. 319 00:15:26.940 --> 00:15:29.039 Yes, sterile. 320 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.159 This is the thing, right? 321 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:36.480 It's so confusing But there's a throwaway line in the middle of 322 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:42.659 that dialogue dump where they've talked about how there can't be 323 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:47.580 any more time lords and the neogenetic explosions sterilise the 2 324 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:48.360 of them. 325 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.600 So they're not born sterile is the implication. 326 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:55.019 All the other time lords are dead, but they survived and it made 327 00:15:55.019 --> 00:15:58.980 them sterile, even though he was the template for all of the time 328 00:15:58.980 --> 00:15:59.519 lords. 329 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.139 So surely if the genetic bomb rolled out, surely it shouldn't 330 00:16:04.139 --> 00:16:07.200 affect the doctor because he was a precursor to them, I don't 331 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:07.379 know. 332 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:08.039 Didn't kill him. 333 00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:11.159 Maybe Susan's the child of Tikki Tikki Tata. 334 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:12.419 Could be. 335 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:15.840 Uh, Brandon? 336 00:16:15.899 --> 00:16:18.960 I actually had to go away and look up the genetic explosion 337 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.960 because, you know, I've only watched the timeless children once. 338 00:16:22.019 --> 00:16:23.220 Good food. 339 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.059 Yeah, yeah. 340 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.019 The thing, the whole thing with Omega and the Rani that I, that 341 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:30.840 kind of, like was my record scratch moment was. 342 00:16:30.899 --> 00:16:33.779 And I've gone and found the quote because someone was mean to me 343 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:34.740 about it on Blue Sky. 344 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.419 Um, This is the doctor talking about Omega. 345 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:42.840 Some called him the original sin of the time lords. cast out from 346 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:43.559 Gallifrey. 347 00:16:43.620 --> 00:16:44.340 No, he wasn't. 348 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.860 Legend says they bound him. 349 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.980 No, it doesn't, and banished him because he is insane. 350 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.960 He wasn't when he got lost. 351 00:16:52.019 --> 00:16:57.720 And it's just kind of this thing of, we've got Morbius and Razelon 352 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.919 both of whom have been banished and were tyrants, but let's go 353 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.779 with Omega for some reason. 354 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:09.240 Oh, but I do think the reason is that because he's, in some sense 355 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.579 the creator of the Time Lords, and because she wants to recreate 356 00:17:11.579 --> 00:17:12.539 the Time Lords. 357 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:14.700 That's why she goes for him. 358 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.940 And I thought that it was kind of clear last week that that was 359 00:17:17.940 --> 00:17:19.440 where this was going to go. 360 00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:23.940 Yeah, he wasn't exiled and he wasn't mad before he... 361 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.039 But the doctor just makes shit up. 362 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.220 Also, because he, you know, she was gone. 363 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.640 She had disappeared when there was the revelation that he was 364 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.440 actually the progenitor of all of them. 365 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:43.859 She doesn't know that he was the 1st the 1st regenerating person 366 00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:44.579 in this universe. 367 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:48.660 I really have nothing to say about any of that. 368 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.980 It's interesting, Brendan, that you talk about the timeless 369 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:55.440 children because I think it's pretty clear that Chris Chipman gave 370 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.599 himself a genetic explosion while writing that. 371 00:18:00.059 --> 00:18:03.119 I'm going to have to cut that. 372 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.400 Did he need a wet ones? 373 00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:08.400 All over the bottom of the desk. 374 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.000 Also, I will say that I'm I will say that I'm hearing whispers 375 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.319 that maybe there was another version of the scene involving Jody 376 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.960 which I'm sure that we'll talk about which may have involved Carol 377 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:19.740 Anne Ford. 378 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.140 So there are possibility threads. 379 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.900 There's possibly threads which are left hanging there, which 380 00:18:24.900 --> 00:18:26.160 otherwise wouldn't have been. 381 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:27.359 Right, right. 382 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:31.559 The other big thing is that Mrs. Fudd has said, and the Rani, that 383 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.359 his story ends in absolute terror. 384 00:18:33.420 --> 00:18:36.960 And I don't know if that actually happened, you know? 385 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:41.039 So and so that's another thread that could have, you know, been 386 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.519 going on. 387 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:44.099 That's just her foreshadowing, surely, no. 388 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.380 I'm going to intend in absolute terror. 389 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.500 Yeah, it's like he's going to end in absolute terror because I'm 390 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:50.099 behind everything. 391 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.880 I'm a pantomime dame. 392 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:56.099 She is awesome. 393 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.720 I'm so glad she survives. 394 00:18:57.779 --> 00:19:00.599 And there's that great moment where she just goes, yoi came out of 395 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.359 here, you know, and the doctor even just says, 0 yeah, thanks. 396 00:19:03.420 --> 00:19:04.079 That's right. 397 00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:07.920 I'm still bitterly disappointed, though, that she doesn't use the 398 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.700 time ring in a genesis of the Daleks kind of way. sort of rolling 399 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:12.779 around on the floor. 400 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:16.859 Well, I'm really disappointed that we didn't get a mind battle 401 00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:24.180 scene between the doctor and the baby skeletonomia. on a black 402 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:24.480 background. 403 00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:26.880 We're thankful for small mercies, James. 404 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:28.920 Oh my god. 405 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:30.660 You will face the dark side of my mind. 406 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:32.880 And it's Peter Davidson in a sparkling cloak. 407 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.559 There we go. 408 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:36.119 Change your proof. 409 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:36.720 Paycheque. 410 00:19:36.779 --> 00:19:39.059 And we get Peter Davidson is over the go. 411 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:43.259 You know what else this episode was missing is just a jet of smoke 412 00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:44.400 that was a singularity. 413 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:47.700 I love that so much. the best. 414 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.180 Okay, also, who needs a bone dinosaur when you could have a 415 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:53.640 massive gel guard terrorising an headquarter? 416 00:19:56.940 --> 00:20:02.099 Let's talk also about Ruby and Conrad, because they're confronting 417 00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:03.900 each other in the other room. 418 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:09.180 I actually thought this was a surprisingly downbeat kind of ending 419 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:10.559 to that particular thread. 420 00:20:10.619 --> 00:20:14.700 Well, it could have been killed off and I do think that I actually 421 00:20:14.700 --> 00:20:15.779 think it worked very well. 422 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.720 I thought that was actually very effective that she granted him 423 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.640 that wish to be happy and and it wasn't, you know, he was going to 424 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:23.880 die. 425 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.960 I thought it was one of the few well-placed moments of the episode 426 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:28.140 actually. 427 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.180 I'm going to agree with that as well. 428 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:35.099 It was a moment that worked for me and I thought that, you know 429 00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:37.980 people who Conrad is based on, you know, the Andrew Tates of this 430 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:41.400 world are fundamentally unhappy people and, you know, just given a 431 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.940 chance to be happy and to be happy, that's all they really, you 432 00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:45.779 know, should get. 433 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:51.599 I have a theory that the Conrad character is based on not only the 434 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.740 Andrew Tates of the world, but the very vocal, not my doctor 435 00:20:55.740 --> 00:21:00.240 people, the people who've gone, Jodie Whitaker, not my doctor, you 436 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.740 know, shitty guy one, not my doctor. 437 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:03.779 It's, you know, needs to be an old white man. 438 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:09.000 And what Russell is saying in this subtext is, I want you to be 439 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:09.299 happy. 440 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:14.339 Like this show is still going and you still get it and I want you 441 00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:15.059 to be happy. 442 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.880 Like I'm not, I don't wish you malice as as a group. 443 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.180 That sort of rings more true though, for the bloke. 444 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.640 I can't even remember the character's name from the 1st episode 445 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:24.539 the Robot Revolution. 446 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:28.319 Whereas, oh, wasn't Conrad, wasn't Conrad Al? 447 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:28.920 sorry, thank you. 448 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:32.039 Wasn't Conrad more of a run of the-mill conspiracy theorist? 449 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:36.660 Yeah, probably the right views, but not to the extent that what 450 00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:38.880 we've seen in this two-parter. 451 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:40.740 I mean, look, it doesn't really matter that the characters 452 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:41.460 repurposed for that. 453 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:41.940 That's fine. 454 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.339 But it's just my observation about that. 455 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.259 Yeah, no, that's in the text. 456 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.519 I'm talking like a subtext that Russell's got going on on a 2nd 457 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.460 level that this is what he's saying, is like, I want Doctor Who 458 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:56.700 fans to be happy because most of them aren't. 459 00:21:58.380 --> 00:22:02.819 But that scene also highlighted Millie Gibson and I think she's an 460 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:04.980 unsung hero of this episode as well. 461 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.099 I don't think there's any, it is quite subtext. 462 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.339 I think it's seated in Lucky Day that he has an unhappy 463 00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:11.759 childhood. 464 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:15.539 Like his mother beats him around the head and tells him off and 465 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.880 like, you know, that's that's pretty terrible parenting. 466 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:22.740 Something I love so much about that scene is something Russell 467 00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:26.759 actually has in dialogue in his 1st era, is how the doctor 468 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:31.799 inadvertently turns all his companions into soldiers in his fight 469 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:32.880 in the universe. 470 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:40.440 And both Ruby and Belinda in this very much refuse to fight in the 471 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:46.559 conventional sense and instead take on roles of protectors and 472 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:47.400 benefactors. 473 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.599 And I think that's incredibly strong, like, as you say, taught 474 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:52.859 Millie is amazing in that scene. 475 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:57.119 And at no point, does she feel anything less than strong and 476 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.799 powerful, but in a totally different way to say Rose and Martha 477 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:05.940 with their great big guns and their Osterhagen keys in the stolen 478 00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:06.359 earth? 479 00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:09.240 Dude, you know, it's really funny, isn't it? 480 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.420 Because there is a great line where just before she beams out. 481 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.000 She says, can I punch him in the face? 482 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:20.039 And Kate says, yes, but she doesn't do that at all. 483 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:21.599 Like, that's not what she does. 484 00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:23.700 And I think that's pretty great. 485 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.599 That is pretty good. 486 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.339 Isn't he pretty? 487 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.339 That thing that she says about him. 488 00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:32.759 You can tip him sideways and serve olives in his dimples. 489 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.539 I liked I liked that, and I did think it repaired something from 490 00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:44.279 Lucky Day where I thought Ruby was quite passive and a little bit 491 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.759 of a victim throughout the episode, and this did actually give me 492 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.380 some delayed gratification from that. 493 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.819 Yeah, yeah. 494 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.440 All right. 495 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:58.079 So that brings us to 35 minutes into this 70 minute episode. 496 00:23:58.140 --> 00:24:02.700 So it's very clear, I think, that we knew, didn't we? 497 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.000 I don't think it was generally known, but there was a reshoot. 498 00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:08.940 There was a version of this that doesn't end with a doctor's 499 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:12.539 regeneration, and it's possible that it ends with the doctor and 500 00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:16.380 Belinda clubbing, having forgotten who Poppy is. 501 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.640 It looks like the scenes that have been shot are a scene in unit 502 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.720 headquarters, which I wasn't sure last night was in it, but it has 503 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.859 to be in the reshoot, I think, at least partly, and there's a 504 00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:31.140 scene in the Tartar, several scenes in the Tartar, and then 505 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:34.619 there's the scene in Belinda's backyard. 506 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.880 And you said, I think, Todd, that you liked that this half of it 507 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.160 rather less than the previous half. 508 00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:41.640 Is that right? 509 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:44.339 Yeah, I guess so. 510 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.559 I think because of the reshoots and that I think there was a 511 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.619 storyline there that would have gone on and I just kind of felt 512 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:53.220 like things were just tagged on and tagged on with, okay, she's 513 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:56.279 going to have a child poppy now that looks like poppy from the 514 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:01.319 space babies and and and was that really written for Ruby and so I 515 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:04.319 just sort of, I just thought it was a bit of a mess. 516 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:08.819 I mean, it was well acted, certainly, but I just, I don't know. 517 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.359 I mean, they obviously knew that they were going for this because 518 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.000 all of those scenes with the doctor and Belinda and Belinda saying 519 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.240 she had to be back for her child and by 730 were all shot 520 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.259 obviously, in all those episodes. 521 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:20.700 I don't think they were. 522 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.440 You think they were already mounted? 523 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.680 They're all in the TARDIS and they're all using costumes that they 524 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:26.400 have to hand. 525 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:31.380 And so I think that's a reshoot because I don't think the season 526 00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:32.880 ends that way at all. 527 00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:37.259 And I think, you know, the big problem they have is we have to do 528 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:39.480 a regeneration without any action. 529 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:43.079 So we can't have, you know, the doctor. 530 00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:45.059 It's a little bit like the problem at the beginning of time of the 531 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:45.839 Rani part one. 532 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:47.579 How do we get the doctor to regenerate? 533 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.180 Who knows? 534 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.500 We'll just fudge it. 535 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.460 But here you've got to do a regeneration. 536 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.980 You've got to do the sort of a generation that we do in the modern 537 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.099 series where it is about summing up what the doctor's for and the 538 00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:03.119 doctor has to, you know, Jody dies because an alien with an X in 539 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.140 its name shoots her with a random beam of some kind, which kind of 540 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:08.220 sums up the era. 541 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:13.859 But Russell kind of wants to make it about the doctor sacrificing 542 00:26:13.859 --> 00:26:16.380 himself for someone else, just like Terence, Dr. Dars. 543 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:20.819 And Eccleston's doctor, frankly, but he has to do it just in 544 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:21.480 dialogue. 545 00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:23.160 There's no peril, there's no nothing. 546 00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.539 We just have to talk about it. 547 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.319 And I guess that's why I thought a little bit less satisfied. 548 00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:29.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 549 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:29.819 Yeah. 550 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.759 I think there are there were 2 foreseeable. 551 00:26:32.819 --> 00:26:33.059 Yeah. 552 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.319 I suggest ways around that. 553 00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:38.279 I mean, I'd have thought that the, the, the knowledge that they're 554 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.339 going to get a 3rd season was always going to be in question. 555 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.299 So isn't there an option where you create the end of the 2nd 556 00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:48.900 series, which ends on some kind of cliffhanger, where you're not 557 00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:51.420 sure whether the doctor survived it, and you don't necessarily 558 00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:53.460 need to have him standing there with his arms up with all the 559 00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.960 light pouring out of him. 560 00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:57.359 You just go, well, we don't know where the, no, but you don't know 561 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.039 whether this doctor has survived or not. 562 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.319 So if the show comes back next year, 5 years, 10 years, whenever 563 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.599 it is, you can have a new actor and it's fine. 564 00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:06.359 And the other option, I'm sorry to say, which is a very valid 565 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.960 option is just to have them walking off into the sunset and in a 566 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.339 survival kind of way. 567 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.099 Actually, that is actually a valid option, and I think that 568 00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:16.440 they've missed a thing by not doing that. 569 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.140 I think option one is the wrong option. 570 00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:22.259 And I think it's the one that they entertained at the end of Trial 571 00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:25.440 of a Time Lord episode 14 in the original script where you've got 572 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.720 the doctor in the Vailiard fighting for their life. 573 00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:32.940 And I just think that that's, like, to watch something for 14 574 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.579 episodes and that's your ending, you don't get anything. 575 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.500 Yeah, I think that... 576 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:38.940 I'm not saying about something exactly like that. 577 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.119 There's a way of doing it where the whatever conflict, whatever 578 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.839 story you have is resolved, but for whatever reason, we don't know 579 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:46.740 what his fate is. 580 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.759 There is a way of doing that. 581 00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:49.920 And I think, but the reason they squibbed on the time and the 582 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.319 trouble version. paranoid that if it looked like the doctor was 583 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:52.799 about to die. 584 00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:55.200 Well, that gives it to me, excuse to cancel the series. 585 00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:57.059 I don't think that's the kind of peril we have now. 586 00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:58.859 No, that's... 587 00:27:58.920 --> 00:27:59.579 Yeah. 588 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.859 My personal belief is that he could not resist ending the show 589 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:09.000 because it must have felt at that point that the show's not going 590 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.259 forward anymore or it's going to be 4 or 5 years or whatever the 591 00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:16.019 decision is, but he couldn't resist ending the show that he 592 00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:21.299 started in 2005 with the same person that it opened with. 593 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:26.579 Like the last face we see is the 1st face we see when he brings it 594 00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:26.819 back. 595 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.539 Like it's, it was a, if his hubris, if. 596 00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:34.500 I think we'll come back to that because once we talk about it 597 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.119 we've lost Brendan, I think. 598 00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:42.960 I do want to talk about Jody's appearance in the show. 599 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:49.200 And I think I think that that's something that we need because the 600 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.680 doctor can't explain what he's doing to anyone else who isn't a 601 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:53.339 timelord. 602 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.579 And because the thing is such a time lord crap fiend. 603 00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.240 Do you know what I mean? 604 00:28:57.299 --> 00:29:00.299 We're going to fire regeneration energy into the vortex and blah 605 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:00.900 blah, blah. 606 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.480 He needs to be able to explain that to someone who has a chance of 607 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.579 understanding that, the flinks, maybe. 608 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.259 But... 609 00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:10.079 So you get Jody in. 610 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.220 And I think that scene is really good because I think Jody is a 611 00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:17.339 little bit more animated than she, you know, is it my favourite 612 00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:20.819 Jody Whittaker episode, possibly, but she's a little bit more 613 00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:21.420 animated. 614 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.240 We get that thing about each doctor's reaction to the previous 615 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.119 doctor and so you have Jody who's really closed down, who doesn't 616 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.299 communicate with Yaz, doesn't communicate with her companions. 617 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.880 You know, she's in a Marty mood for no reason, but doesn't tell 618 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.019 anyone why. 619 00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:37.380 And then you get this incredibly emotionally open Doctor Who 620 00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:41.220 openly says I love you to just everyone who walks past, really, at 621 00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:41.579 this point. 622 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.720 So, so I liked that scene and it was kind of nice. 623 00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.119 So I always think that there's a generosity in the way that 624 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.119 Russell has treated the chimney era, which I really approve of. 625 00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:54.240 I like that scene too, and I actually thought that it was really 626 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.200 nice that she came back to do that and shows her her spirit 627 00:29:58.200 --> 00:29:59.160 towards the show. 628 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:02.039 So, yeah, it was really it was really heartwarming. 629 00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:06.240 I quite liked it too because I thought it recalled for me when 630 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.480 Matt Smith is regenerating and he becomes young again and drinks 631 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:10.680 the custard and something like that. 632 00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:14.039 And then the fact that you get the Matt Smith from the path 633 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.319 talking to the Capaldi doctor in the next episode. 634 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:20.279 I think it's nice and I actually think it's it gives her an 635 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.319 opportunity to have another go as well. 636 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:23.700 I really liked that about it. 637 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:24.480 Yeah. 638 00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:28.619 What I loved about that scene was the drawing that line back and 639 00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:33.119 saying, you know, well, I'm like this because all of you were 640 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.619 emotionally stuffed. 641 00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:39.660 And then and then I go, oh, I should say that to Yaz, and then him 642 00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:40.980 going, you never do. 643 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.480 But she knows. 644 00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:45.240 It's, it's, it's, that was quite sweet. 645 00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:52.799 I, again, part of my crazy theory, uh, about the, the Billy Piper 646 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.839 of it all is that the face that the doctor wears at the end is 647 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.420 because finally the doctor is at a place that is on the other side 648 00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:05.880 of where they were at the end of the time war. 649 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:11.519 This is the final repair and emotional growth and I can be this 650 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.700 person who taught me how to be me again. way back when. 651 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.140 That's because I'm sentimental. 652 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.359 It's quite beautiful. 653 00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:19.799 Adam quite... 654 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:20.400 I like that. 655 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.400 Glad that we can bring all of those levels too, because I think 656 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.799 most people would be sitting there saying what the frack is Billy 657 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:26.579 Piper doing there? 658 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:35.759 Yeah, the Jody scene, I wept because I have always said that I 659 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:42.180 felt there was more that she was not able to bring during her own 660 00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:42.779 tenure. 661 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.579 And I think the text message I sent out to a few people was, Trust 662 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:50.940 Russell T. Davies to give Jodie Whittaker's director more 663 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:54.480 opportunity at character in 4 seconds than Chris Gibble did in 4 664 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:54.900 years. 665 00:31:54.900 --> 00:32:01.619 And it's exactly that moment that James mentioned where the 15th 666 00:32:01.619 --> 00:32:03.900 doctor tells her you never do. 667 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.720 And just the look on Jody's face. 668 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:08.759 I'm just like, yes, you were always there. 669 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.380 And just the show around you was not giving you that. 670 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.559 And also a word on the grading in the show around her. 671 00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:20.220 I never realised she had 2 moles on her right cheek, but I can see 672 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:20.940 them. 673 00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:29.700 That is no way to talk about Yaz. you That's what 4K does here 674 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.380 Brandon. 675 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.039 Yes, yeah. 676 00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:38.099 I think the power of nostalgia is very strong, and I would agree 677 00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:42.900 with Simon that actually I was pleased to see Jody back, and as to 678 00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:45.720 what Brendan said there, you know, this was one of the few Jody 679 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.539 scenes that didn't make me weep, so I was glad. 680 00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:52.920 So let's talk about the ending. 681 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:58.140 I think there is a moment where Russell fakes it out because you 682 00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:01.740 see Shooty, you know, enveloped in the regeneration energy. 683 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.519 And then there's a moment where his face disappears and you can't 684 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:06.119 see anything. 685 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:10.740 There's no morphing from one person to another in it, which we 686 00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:11.519 sometimes see. 687 00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:14.099 Sometimes the person's just completely occluded by the light. 688 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.920 But there's a moment there's a shot where there's no face there. 689 00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:19.619 And I was expecting because, you know, what I thought would 690 00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:22.440 probably happen, given that there's no casting news or anything 691 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.660 like that, that Russell would just go to black. 692 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.039 And I think Russell's right to think that that's a bad ending or 693 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.660 like that's kind of boring. 694 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.380 So what he does, what I think is happening is this is the same 695 00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:37.680 instinct that gave us Catherine Tate in a wedding dress in the 696 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.920 TARDIS or the Titanic crashing through the wall. 697 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:45.119 And I also think it's the same instinct that gave us the fake out 698 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.720 regeneration at the end of the stolen earth. 699 00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:50.400 Oh yeah, the hand. 700 00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:52.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 701 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:55.859 But I gather that it's not universally popular. 702 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.660 My friend Matthew. said that he heard his wife give the most 703 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:06.299 protracted WTF that he had ever heard from anyone in any context. 704 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.380 It's interesting. 705 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.519 It just says introducing Billy Piper, and not Billy Piper is the 706 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:14.699 doctor. 707 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:15.659 Without character. 708 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.679 Is that a get out clause, you know? 709 00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:20.940 Can they go one way or the other? 710 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:21.539 I don't know. 711 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.760 Well, we only see the top of her head. 712 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:27.179 Maybe she's by generating out of the back in today's 10 as well. 713 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:32.219 Shitty guy was nicked out the back to go and find road. 714 00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:38.940 I can only congratulate Russell on his on his restraint for not 715 00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:40.380 having Billy say, what? 716 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:41.460 What? 717 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:41.940 Yes. 718 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:42.420 What? 719 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.699 No, he left that to us, I think. new teeth. 720 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.079 That'd be a bit on the nose, wouldn't it? 721 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.440 Brandon. 722 00:34:55.619 --> 00:35:00.599 So I'm going to give Nathan a public apology because he got a big 723 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.059 spray via text from me yesterday. 724 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.159 I've calmed down a bit now. 725 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.900 Look, I am always happy to see Billy Piper. 726 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.480 I love Billy Piper as an actor. 727 00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:17.400 She, um, she was the singer of my 1st CD single because we want to 728 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.159 but I built my own money. 729 00:35:20.219 --> 00:35:22.019 It's adorable. 730 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.179 I'm a slips. 731 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:25.800 I'm as Aber. 732 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.840 Mamma Mia. 733 00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:31.860 Like the 1st one. 734 00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:41.219 But after the initial, oh, yay, Billy's there wore off. 735 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.659 I did I did get quite cross. 736 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.059 And part of the reason I got quite cross was actually the same 737 00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:51.480 reaction I had as the at the end of Power of the Doctor, which was 738 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.679 okay, we have had a doctor, actor cast who has sort of broken a 739 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.840 ceiling and broken a rule and proven that this part can be more 740 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.579 diversely cast than what we have. 741 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.360 And now we're going back to an actor we've featured before. 742 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:12.059 And it just, it just, part of it felt a little insulting to 743 00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:12.599 shooty. 744 00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:17.039 But at the same time, as a fan, it's like, okay, but do I have any 745 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.039 actual objection to Billy Piper playing the doctor? 746 00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:20.940 I was like, no, of course not. 747 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:21.900 She's a brilliant actress. 748 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.800 And it's like, you can't say we can never have a white actor again 749 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.900 and you can't say we can never have a man again, and you can't say 750 00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:28.980 we can never have a woman again. 751 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.820 So... 752 00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:33.659 I kind of realised where a lot of my anger was coming from was I 753 00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:35.519 didn't have time to prepare for this regeneration. 754 00:36:35.579 --> 00:36:38.880 We usually have 3 to 6 months and I didn't have it. 755 00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:40.619 So all those emotions were coming up. 756 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.599 That, though. 757 00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:47.400 That was like not knowing was amazing. when was the last time we 758 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:47.820 didn't know. 759 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.320 Legopolis for me. 760 00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:50.639 Yeah, yeah. 761 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.699 I knew Legopolis. was terrified. 762 00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:59.880 This is Russell finally achieving what she wanted to do at the end 763 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:00.719 of series one. 764 00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:04.559 Yes, which is springing the regeneration as a surprise on us. 765 00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:05.340 It took him 20 years. 766 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:06.960 Yeah, because he managed it. 767 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:07.739 Yeah. 768 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.019 Well, that wasn't that much of a surprise because we all all 769 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:12.659 assumed that there was a very good chance that the episode was 770 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:14.940 going to end like this, not with Billy Pike with the regeneration 771 00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:15.059 right? 772 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.539 Oh, we did, but I don't think the audience in general did. 773 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:19.380 Fair enough. 774 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:19.679 Okay. 775 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.659 I wasn't really angry that Billy appears at the end because I felt 776 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:27.659 basically for much of the last 2 years that they jumped the shark 777 00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:28.199 anyway. 778 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:34.260 But I do feel that it's kind of gone the extra mile here because 779 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.840 not because I don't like Villiers, everything Brendan said. 780 00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:38.340 There's nothing wrong with her as an actress. 781 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.179 I just feel that regardless of what the rationale is here, so that 782 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:45.719 if he knows that we're not getting another series, at least no 783 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.340 time soon, what's this for? 784 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.179 I think it's kind of just crossing too much of a line as in that 785 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:54.900 it's playing and making too much fun of and taking too much of the 786 00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:57.420 Mickey out of the concept of the show. 787 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.480 So I just think it's, I just think it's a bit regrettable. 788 00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:05.460 I would say that, um, it feels a little bit like trolling the 789 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:09.239 audience and whether that's a good thing or bad thing is up to the 790 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:09.719 audience. 791 00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:14.340 What I will say is that I think a friend of mine was talking about 792 00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:14.699 this. 793 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.760 Russell, given the opportunity to do something that he would view 794 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:23.219 as predictable, or boring or overly dramatic, or given the 795 00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:27.599 opportunity to end on a gag, we'll choose the gag every time, and 796 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.099 I think that's basically what this is. 797 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.199 Yeah and I think that's sad. 798 00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:34.860 I think that there was some talk, wasn't there, that he'd wanted 799 00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:37.500 like Jennifer Saunders or something to play the doctor for a short 800 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:39.539 period during his 1st run. 801 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.039 I want that. 802 00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:42.300 I want that still. 803 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:43.500 How lovely. 804 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.119 Yeah, I think she'd be great. 805 00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:49.500 But I think, you know, now, for people who are kind of worried 806 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.199 about regeneration and stuff like that, we've had the limit 807 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:52.800 removed. 808 00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:58.139 And so, you know, the BBC has done a press release saying what 809 00:38:58.139 --> 00:39:03.000 when, how, in what capacity, Billy's going to be on the show, we're 810 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.960 not revealing yet. 811 00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:09.059 Um, but that will come and it quotes both, uh, I think it quotes 812 00:39:09.059 --> 00:39:12.179 both Billy and Russell. 813 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.340 So I'll put a link to that. 814 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.280 That was the BBC press release yesterday that did suggest that the 815 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.159 story was going to continue, that she was excited to come back to 816 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:20.820 Doctor Who. 817 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:25.619 Because initially my 1st thought was, oh, she'll say yes. an old 818 00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:25.860 mate. 819 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:26.940 I'll just call her. 820 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.179 She's not doing anything, but I think, you know, there may be some 821 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:32.460 kind of plan in the works. 822 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.599 I'd like to see a completely unknown actor take on the role as a 823 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:41.219 doctor, not somebody who's been in a series or an actor that is 824 00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:42.059 well renowned. 825 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:47.699 But, you know, she's there for a reason and when that happens. 826 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.380 I am going to be there for it. 827 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:54.059 What's absolutely clear is that Billy Piper is not the next 828 00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:57.480 incarnation of the doctor for any particular length of time 829 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.380 because it seems clear that the show is not in production at the 830 00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:03.300 moment for the 1st time since 2003. 831 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.039 It's not a going concern right now. 832 00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:09.239 And no actor, let alone Nathan just said earlier, you know, Billy's 833 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:09.719 not doing anything. 834 00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:10.559 Billy's very busy. 835 00:40:10.619 --> 00:40:16.619 Yeah, very, very, very, a big star in the UK television scene. 836 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.739 And so the thought that she would kind of say, yes, I'll come and 837 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.559 be the next doctor, but I'll start working on your series 3 years 838 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.219 hence. 839 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.780 It doesn't hold any water at all. 840 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.679 So this is clearly in service of something which is going to 841 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.019 happen, but it's not going to be a long-term solution. 842 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:35.820 Yeah, possibly it's them going, well, we want to end on a bang. 843 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:40.079 We want to do the best to try and set this up to maybe get a 844 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.059 renewal at some point in the future. 845 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.260 And ending it on that is a big headline getting thick. 846 00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:50.460 Yes, even if she's only in a couple of specials or just a 847 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:52.679 Christmas special and then become someone else. 848 00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.739 It's a draw card to try and get people to watch. 849 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:01.500 If the thought is that doing something like this assists the show 850 00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:05.400 being renewed in some format moving forward is, I think, a very 851 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.039 odd and naive take from a television professional. 852 00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:10.260 Could I just follow that up with? 853 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.880 That's exactly what I think Russell's doing. 854 00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:15.719 I think Russell's like, oh, you want to cancel, doctor? 855 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.659 Do you want to cancel national treasure, Billy Piper? 856 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.300 Exactly. 857 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.300 He's what, 6263 now? 858 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:26.820 He doesn't need Doctor Who. 859 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.719 Yeah. 860 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.460 Neither does Billy. 861 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:30.179 You know? 862 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.380 That's the thing. 863 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.059 I think he is in a stage of life of having no F-bombs to give. 864 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:38.579 So she's just like, I am going to do something crazy. 865 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.219 And I do, I do agree with what people said earlier. 866 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.420 It is a stunt. 867 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.920 Um, I've kind of gone through it emotionally in the last day also 868 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.380 and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on board with it being a stunt that may 869 00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:56.099 assist in the show, being commissioned again, or may just keep 870 00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:59.880 people talking about what the hell was that until in 10 years time 871 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:05.280 Pete McTie brings it back or, or Juno Dawson, you know. 872 00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:08.940 I think it's like, if it's done as a bargaining chip, it's very 873 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:13.679 much she's someone that's done a lot of work with Bad Wolf, like 874 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:14.460 they did. 875 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:15.239 I hate Susie. 876 00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:18.960 She's currently in Wednesday on Netflix. 877 00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:22.139 So if they're pitching at Netflix at Amazon, at any of those 878 00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:22.559 companies. 879 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:27.539 They're like, here is someone with a track record that Americans 880 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:32.699 recognise that people around the world know who she is and she is 881 00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:35.820 the lead for all intents and purposes if you buy this show. 882 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.619 So it's, it's, I think it's a very much a planned thing. 883 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.360 I mean, don't forget that Bad Wolf is now part owned by Sony, so 884 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.760 they would want to see the show move forward. 885 00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:52.980 So it's, I feel like this is an, like a business decision more 886 00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:53.699 than anything else. 887 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.840 I'm not entirely sure that that logic holds up given that if it 888 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.900 was sold to, say, Netflix on the back of Billy Piper being your 889 00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:03.960 doctor and then she regenerates at the end of the 1st episode. 890 00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:07.199 I'm not sure they'd be very happy about that Well, no, that would 891 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.579 be an ongoing discussion in the future. 892 00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:15.719 That's all we've got time for tonight, but before we go, I think 893 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.780 some of us have things to plug. 894 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:22.500 So let's start with Brendan. 895 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:26.519 So this weekend, the three-handed game has just released its 896 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.780 episode on the theme, This Green Unpleasant Land with the Tara 897 00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:35.219 King episode populated with Doctor Who guest stars called Wish You 898 00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:35.699 Were Here. 899 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.599 And I'd also like to just point out that much like the chase, this 900 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.119 story contains a whole bundle of elements, we have a new regular 901 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.760 played by a character that we saw just a few weeks ago, depending 902 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.960 on how you watch Doctor Who. 903 00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:58.199 And um, and also the doctor get into a very unexpected. then 904 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.380 slightly unconvincing fight with another time lord. 905 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.420 Excellent. 906 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.679 Adam. 907 00:44:04.739 --> 00:44:07.260 Yeah, Adam Richard has a theory. 908 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.300 My daily 10 minute Doctor Who podcast. 909 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.440 Yes, daily. insane. 910 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.539 All the rest of this week still talking about the finale and 911 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:16.920 probably for the next 6 weeks. 912 00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:21.119 And I think I'll probably end up spending about 4 days recapping 913 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:26.460 the 4 minute trailer of the... 914 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.960 So I'm going to plug 500-year diary. 915 00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:36.239 We released our episode on Warriors of the Deep yesterday, and 916 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:43.019 this Sunday we will be looking at the 2nd coming of Sill in Mind 917 00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:43.679 Warp. 918 00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:45.119 Oh, yeah, yuck. 919 00:44:45.179 --> 00:44:45.480 Sorry. 920 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.039 Should really have rethought that whole season title, actually. 921 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.280 That pop was in his little handful of goo. 922 00:44:56.699 --> 00:44:58.320 It's green. 923 00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.820 Marshmillows indeed. 924 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:03.119 So moving along quickly. 925 00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:07.320 We also have untitled Star Trek project, which is taking a break 926 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:11.579 this week, but we will be back next week, God willing, for the 927 00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:14.940 Star Trek, the Next Generation episode tapestry. 928 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.699 Yeah, which is pretty damn good. 929 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.119 So you can keep up with us on flightthroughentirety.com on Blue 930 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:27.000 Sky or at FTE podcast on Mastodon or God help you on X. And so all 931 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.840 that remains is for me to say, until next time, there's only one 932 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:31.800 sad thing. 933 00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:34.320 I want to know what happens next. 934 00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:37.380 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 935 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.519 Bye. 936 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:39.659 Good night. 937 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.340 Good night. 938 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.760 It's the end if only the moment had been prepared for. 939 00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:51.360 See you soon. 8 out of 10 for the 1st half of this episode and 6 940 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.500 to 6.5 for the rest.