WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:31:12 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.180 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and 2 00:00:03.180 --> 00:00:06.660 bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who Flashcast, really 3 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:09.839 looking forward to just giving up work and having Colonel 4 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:11.279 Ibrahim's babies. 5 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:13.080 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:14.759 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:14.820 --> 00:00:17.640 I'm James and I'm Todd. 8 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:24.660 So we are here to talk about Wishworld, which is episode 7 of the 9 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:25.500 current series. 10 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.039 I have completely failed to look up who the director is, but 11 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:32.399 that's perfectly fine, and it is written, of course, by Russell T 12 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:32.939 Davies. 13 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.560 And we are going to start this week by talking about the woman of 14 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:42.479 the hour, Archie Punjabi as the Rani, and frankly, also Anita 15 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:43.679 Dobson as the Rani. 16 00:00:43.740 --> 00:00:49.380 How do we think the Rani or Ranis acquitted themselves this week? 17 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:51.240 Todd. 18 00:00:51.299 --> 00:00:54.000 They were just superb. 19 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:55.020 But Nathan? 20 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:56.939 Would I lie? 21 00:00:58.020 --> 00:01:00.060 No, I wouldn't. 22 00:01:03.299 --> 00:01:07.140 Oh god, she was so glamorous and Anita had just such wonderful 23 00:01:07.140 --> 00:01:07.680 lines. 24 00:01:07.739 --> 00:01:10.980 I was just enthralled with them both in every scene they were in. 25 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:12.599 I think it was really great. 26 00:01:12.659 --> 00:01:15.719 I was expecting it needed to be a little bit more Renfield-y, but 27 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:17.879 she was actually really sort of rather glamorous in that 28 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:18.659 pantsuit. 29 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:19.920 I thought she looked pretty great. 30 00:01:19.980 --> 00:01:21.900 What did you think, James? 31 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:27.840 I really loved um, her bitching to herself as though she goes 32 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.739 about her business in the, in the bone palace, you know, oh, do 33 00:01:31.739 --> 00:01:33.120 this, cut my toenails. 34 00:01:33.180 --> 00:01:35.579 Make a sandwich. rah, rah, rah, rah. 35 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:40.859 So it is implied, I think, that Mrs. Flaty is cutting the Randy's 36 00:01:40.859 --> 00:01:41.400 toenails. 37 00:01:41.459 --> 00:01:41.879 Is that right? 38 00:01:41.939 --> 00:01:43.500 That's what we're supposed to understand. 39 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.400 Snip bloody sniff, she says. 40 00:01:48.180 --> 00:01:50.519 What did you think, Brendan? 41 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.459 Yes, I thought they were both wonderful. 42 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:58.140 I was worried after last week that the Anita Dobson Rani would 43 00:01:58.140 --> 00:02:03.000 become sort of weirdly obsequious the way she appears to be last 44 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.140 week. 45 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.859 But in fact, it's just kind of continuing her character of, oh 46 00:02:07.859 --> 00:02:10.620 well, I'm just a sweet little old lady, but I will actually mess 47 00:02:10.620 --> 00:02:10.979 you up. 48 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.319 I'll cut you. 49 00:02:13.379 --> 00:02:14.639 I'll cut you. 50 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:18.240 I pretend to be really nice to you because you get a bit of that 51 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:22.259 steel when she's like, well, actually, in a way, you're my child. 52 00:02:22.740 --> 00:02:28.620 Uh, which is glorious and um, Archie also absolutely amazing. 53 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.939 My concern for the Rani, and we all know that Rani is near and 54 00:02:32.939 --> 00:02:33.659 dear to my heart. 55 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.379 My concern for the Rani was it was just going to be Missy 2.0. 56 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:38.219 Yeah. 57 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.400 And I was worried it was going in that direction, but I think 58 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.379 importantly, Russell has remembered that the Rani is perfectly 59 00:02:46.379 --> 00:02:49.740 happy to tell the doctor her plan, but not because she wants to be 60 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:52.080 friends again or she wants to impress him or whatever. 61 00:02:52.139 --> 00:02:55.860 It's, I'm going to tell you my plan and then kill you just so you 62 00:02:55.860 --> 00:02:58.800 know how clever I am and that is spot on. 63 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.560 Yeah, I agree with Brendan. 64 00:03:01.620 --> 00:03:05.280 Like, I think on both counts, I think Anita, it was really good 65 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:06.300 that she kept that character. 66 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.539 I wish she, I still wish she'd spoken to the camera once or twice 67 00:03:09.539 --> 00:03:10.800 that I'm missing that. 68 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:11.580 I'm missing that. 69 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:14.280 But yeah, Serani seemed to still, like, she's got a plan. 70 00:03:14.340 --> 00:03:15.479 She's got she's something going on. 71 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:18.900 It's not, she's just out to kill the doctor, like so many other 72 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:23.099 people are, you know, there was a big complex thing happening 73 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:23.580 there. 74 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:24.840 So, yeah. 75 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:28.620 In fact, her plan seems to be very similar to what her plan is in 76 00:03:28.620 --> 00:03:34.080 time in the Rani, which is she converts to Planet in order to 77 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:38.939 create this sort of big cosmic cataclysm of some kind. 78 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:42.180 And, you know, there's sort of power involved and stuff. 79 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.240 And I think it's very clear what she's doing and why. 80 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.939 And we'll talk a little bit more about that later. 81 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.659 But, you know, she's in what looks like laboratory. 82 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.780 You know, it has those seeker people and all of that. 83 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.520 She's monitoring the levels of doubt that are occurring on the 84 00:03:59.520 --> 00:03:59.879 planet. 85 00:03:59.939 --> 00:04:04.500 And so it is very similar, I think, to time in the Rani. 86 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:09.900 And I also think too, she doesn't do what Kate does in time in the 87 00:04:09.900 --> 00:04:12.120 Rani, and I love what Kate does in time in the Rani. 88 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:14.039 She doesn't really overplay it. 89 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:18.779 She's arch and funny, but she's not scenery chewing in quite the 90 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:20.579 way that Kate is there. 91 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.759 And, you know, we didn't need another missy. 92 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:24.660 I think that that was it. 93 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.600 Once, you know, you kind of wonder, well, we've had Missy, do we 94 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:28.800 really need the Rani? 95 00:04:28.860 --> 00:04:32.699 And I think that I think that Archie makes this Rani different 96 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:35.339 enough for her to be worth having. 97 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.079 I'm really enjoying it. 98 00:04:37.139 --> 00:04:38.220 I really like her a lot. 99 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.360 I'd just like to know how many time brains she has on her 100 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:42.720 computer. 101 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:51.240 They're probably all still left over from dimensions in time. 102 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.620 I did love that little snippet of dimensions in time. 103 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.060 Yes, in the flashback. 104 00:04:57.180 --> 00:04:57.720 Yes. 105 00:04:58.379 --> 00:05:00.180 It's canon. 106 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.279 Everything's canon, but it's canon. 107 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.699 And let's talk about the world that she's created. 108 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.540 What I thought was really clever was that the Rani doesn't want to 109 00:05:09.540 --> 00:05:11.100 take over the world. 110 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.680 Like, that's very much not her deal. 111 00:05:13.740 --> 00:05:18.360 And so if the world's going to be taken over, she gets Conrad to 112 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:18.839 do it. 113 00:05:18.899 --> 00:05:23.459 And so we've got Wishworld, and I think the whole season's been 114 00:05:23.459 --> 00:05:27.300 kind of heading towards this where Wishworld is an alternative far 115 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:32.279 right reality, and here it is a place where gender roles are 116 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:39.480 really heavily policed and enforced, and a place where disability 117 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.800 is shunned and disabled people are overlooked. 118 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.600 The interesting thing is that this seems really timely for both 119 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:53.339 England and the UK, even though this episode was finished a year 120 00:05:53.339 --> 00:05:53.579 ago. 121 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.319 How do we think about this? 122 00:05:55.379 --> 00:05:59.100 I like the look, that 50s look that they've gone for. 123 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:04.139 I kind of wish they would keep that look for the unit set going 124 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:04.680 forward. 125 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:06.899 With the wood panels. 126 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:07.680 Oh my god. 127 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:11.220 It's so, you know, it makes it feel like traditional unit. 128 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.120 If they'd had the money back in, back in the 70s, they would have 129 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.600 had a vaulted wood panelled hangar of a building. 130 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:23.279 I think it looks very much like Pleasantville or WandaVision, one 131 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.980 of those sort of, you know, movies or shows. 132 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.800 And so I actually like the aesthetic of it very much. 133 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:34.740 Gemma Redgrave described it as kind of like unit meets Madman. 134 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.540 Oh, yeah, fair enough. 135 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:37.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 136 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:42.180 I particularly like that we've got Verada back in that lovely sort 137 00:06:42.180 --> 00:06:44.639 of golden rod like she was wearing in Lux. 138 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.279 And of course, that was said in the 1950s. 139 00:06:47.339 --> 00:06:50.939 So I think that's deliberate choice, you know, given that that 140 00:06:50.939 --> 00:06:55.439 story also talked about segregation and the people on the edges of 141 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:56.399 polite society. 142 00:06:56.459 --> 00:07:01.860 It's interesting because I love the idea that the world is so 143 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:06.420 superficial that doubting it makes it start to disappear. 144 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:07.980 Yeah. 145 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:08.759 Yeah. 146 00:07:08.819 --> 00:07:11.699 I think that that's very deliberate, isn't it? 147 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.899 And, you know, the Rani doesn't want the world to be taken over by 148 00:07:15.899 --> 00:07:17.100 al-right fascists. 149 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.660 That's not what she's interested in. 150 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:20.100 That's Conrad's bag. 151 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.560 What she wants is to create the doubt that overthrows the world. 152 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:29.160 And I think the way that that's depicted is really kind of 153 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:29.699 amazing. 154 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:35.459 So, like, it's not super clear from the 1st time you watch it, but 155 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:39.660 the fact that they start to use the word slip for that phenomenon 156 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:42.480 where things fall through the table where the coffee cup falls 157 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:43.980 through the table onto the ground. 158 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:47.279 And then the 2nd time I watch it, I notice that the bins outside 159 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:52.439 all have the word slip on them and that Mel's one is entirely just 160 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.060 full of those carbs. 161 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.319 So despite the fact that everyone looks like they're on board and 162 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.639 everyone loves Conrad and everyone trusts Conrad, everyone has a 163 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.560 bin full of these broken cups. 164 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:08.759 And that's what the women are tracking what those strange people 165 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:09.480 are tracking. 166 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:13.199 And then, of course, when the world is destroyed by doubt, what do 167 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.439 we see is we see buildings falling through the surface of the 168 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:16.860 earth. 169 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.560 So it's the same visual thing. 170 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:20.879 I mean it's so well done. 171 00:08:20.939 --> 00:08:24.540 It's such an inventive way to destroy the world, but it's just 172 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:28.079 consistent with this idea that your doubt makes your coffee cup 173 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.000 fall through a solid table. 174 00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:31.319 It's pretty amazing. 175 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:36.299 You know, I like the fact that they said like the world couldn't 176 00:08:36.299 --> 00:08:37.019 sustain itself. 177 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.259 So there's all these inconsistencies, and you know, Ruby can 178 00:08:40.259 --> 00:08:43.259 remember the doctor and Shirley can remember things and she's got 179 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:46.679 the iPad or the tech or whatever, you know, all these things just 180 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:52.139 don't make quite sense and, and, The 1st time I was watching it. 181 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.179 I missed a lot of that stuff. 182 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.120 Like I had a lot of doubts about the episode and I felt quite 183 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.059 disconnected from it and it was a 2nd time through. 184 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.120 I picked up so much more and I could actually see what was really 185 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:04.860 going on and I actually thought was very clever. 186 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I really like that, and it's not at all what you 187 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.559 expect. like ordinarily. 188 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:13.740 I mean, think about kind of the last time that Doctor Who did this 189 00:09:13.740 --> 00:09:16.379 was really the lie of the land, don't you think? 190 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.879 where we arrive in a world that's been taken over by the monks, but 191 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.659 that's much more straightforwardly about the monks' desire for 192 00:09:24.659 --> 00:09:28.440 control, and the Rani is doing something completely different 193 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:28.919 here. 194 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:33.539 And although Varada wasn't front and centre per se. 195 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.620 My goodness, that scene with her running into the forest and just 196 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:40.200 screaming was just incredible. 197 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:45.419 Like, it's kind of the 1st hint that the doubts are kind of 198 00:09:45.419 --> 00:09:50.039 universal, you know, like she goes out and screams after she 199 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.279 experiences the thing where she can't remember Poppy being born 200 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.940 and she has that conversation with her mother and her auntie. 201 00:09:57.179 --> 00:10:02.100 But it just seems like the buildup that everyone is kind of living 202 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:07.259 like this, that Mel has a bin full of broken coffee cups, that the 203 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:11.279 inconsistencies of the world are bothering Belinda so much that 204 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.320 she has to run into the forest and scream. 205 00:10:13.379 --> 00:10:18.539 Like it's pretty well told and kind of, um, it doesn't beat you 206 00:10:18.539 --> 00:10:19.799 over the head with it, you know? 207 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:24.840 Like, so the reason that Ruby remembers is because, of course 208 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.000 she's experienced the future before in 73 yards, even though 209 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.000 that's a future that never ended up happening or whatever, but we 210 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.600 see those little flashes of her through the future, which is 211 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:36.960 pretty great. 212 00:10:39.179 --> 00:10:41.039 Which is very good. 213 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:43.919 And so that's why she remembers. 214 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:49.080 And then she meets Shirley, and that scene there with all of those 215 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.159 people with disabilities that are living in that sort of tent city 216 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:54.299 that little camp. 217 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:59.759 And it's just terrifically well done, I think, and it really kind 218 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:05.039 of pays off having Shirley, and there's a bit of fun banter and 219 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:08.100 stuff, like it's not treated too seriously. 220 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:11.460 You know, Ruby makes a joke about not being disabled, but she 221 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:12.419 could be taller. 222 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:16.320 And then just like, Shirley tells her off for being ablest as a 223 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:17.279 joke a little bit later. 224 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.419 And like, it's, it's, but it makes a proper point about disability 225 00:11:21.419 --> 00:11:24.539 because disability is kind of like that in our world. 226 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.200 You know, it doesn't take a wish world for people to walk past 227 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.299 disable people or try not to think about them. 228 00:11:30.299 --> 00:11:33.360 And I thought that that was, that was interesting. 229 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:37.019 Given that we have a wish world that isn't primarily focussed on 230 00:11:37.019 --> 00:11:42.480 racism, which I think is the most kind of visible feature of the 231 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:47.159 various right wing fascisms that we're currently enjoying. 232 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.700 I believe you just mispronounced the word enduring. 233 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:51.299 Yeah. 234 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:58.139 What surprised me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that 235 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:02.340 one of Conrad's friends in episode 4 was a lesbian? 236 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:09.299 And, and now, like, the, like, the ginger one wasn't, didn't she 237 00:12:09.299 --> 00:12:12.720 have a girlfriend in that scene or am I misreading or 238 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.740 misremembering that scene? 239 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.039 And so that's pretty, if that's the case, I could be wrong. 240 00:12:17.100 --> 00:12:19.980 But I thought I picked that up at the 1st time I watched it. 241 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.419 It's kind of insidious that what did he think of those friends if 242 00:12:24.419 --> 00:12:29.279 the world he has created is homophobic. 243 00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:32.820 So I didn't pick that up the 1st time really in that episode, so 244 00:12:32.820 --> 00:12:33.779 I'd have to go back and watch it. 245 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.299 I mean, I could, I could be Miss Mirambury. 246 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.519 Maybe they were just friends having chat, but I thought they were 247 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:39.360 more intimate. 248 00:12:39.419 --> 00:12:45.000 And look, much like turfs don't seem to understand that trans men 249 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:45.539 exist. 250 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.960 A lot of homophobes don't have a problem with lesbians. 251 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:49.860 Well this is true. 252 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.220 Or rather, they have certain thoughts about lesbians that are 253 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.700 incredibly problematic and thus think, yes, more of this, please 254 00:12:56.700 --> 00:12:57.600 but for the wrong reasons. 255 00:12:57.659 --> 00:12:58.200 Yeah. 256 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.620 That moment was something that we could never have seen in Doctor 257 00:13:01.620 --> 00:13:05.399 Who before because we have a Doctor Who is just so clearly queer. 258 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:11.039 And, you know, just that moment where he says that Colonel Ibrahim 259 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.000 is a beautiful man, which is absolutely something that you would 260 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.600 say without a 2nd's thought, even to a straight guy who you are 261 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:19.200 friends with. 262 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:23.940 Like, and then just that terrifying response where not only, it's 263 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:28.019 not that homosexuality is illegal, it's unthinkable in this 264 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:28.620 context. 265 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.039 It's impossible to even name in this world. 266 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:37.799 And I think too, having Conrad reading from a book that looks like 267 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:42.720 a 1st edition Harry Potter book, um, written by IM formerly. 268 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.399 Did you notice? 269 00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:51.419 Which, you know, like again, you know, it's a beloved children's 270 00:13:51.419 --> 00:13:55.620 storyteller telling this story about the strict enforcement of 271 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:56.700 gender norms. 272 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:01.080 What I also kind of found really quite challenging about that 273 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.460 scene is that the relationship between the doctrine Colonel 274 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:10.679 Ibrahim has been set up to be quite flirty, for the entire run so 275 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:11.159 far. 276 00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:15.059 They have a kind of, you know, cheeky little sort of flirty banter 277 00:14:15.059 --> 00:14:15.659 thing going on. 278 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.139 So when he does that, you're like, oh, that's normal and then when 279 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:24.179 he turns, it's like, oh, this character is not who we think he is 280 00:14:24.179 --> 00:14:24.419 anymore. 281 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:29.279 There's even the hint that what prompts Belinda to report the 282 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.460 doctor is when the doctor says he saw the guy on the television 283 00:14:32.460 --> 00:14:36.779 and he liked him and then we smash to her calling the 284 00:14:36.779 --> 00:14:37.500 authorities. 285 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.399 And that's Rogue, of course, Jonathan Groff is back. 286 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.779 And I think, you know, it looks like this era is coming towards 287 00:14:45.779 --> 00:14:51.120 its end and so we aren't going to get the chance to revisit him 288 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.340 and so that might be a final farewell. 289 00:14:53.399 --> 00:15:00.360 I did love that video that was shared on social media of um, they'd 290 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:05.820 recorded him during rogue and then played live his green screen 291 00:15:05.820 --> 00:15:10.200 into the read-through of, of this episode. 292 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:15.779 And and so, yeah, the script is just written as a man appears on 293 00:15:15.779 --> 00:15:16.379 the television. 294 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:19.379 And then Russell goes, huge, Jonathan Graff. everybody just 295 00:15:19.379 --> 00:15:20.399 squeals. 296 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:27.840 And Millie just kind of gasps and starts kind of tearing up. 297 00:15:27.899 --> 00:15:28.559 It's so sweet. 298 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.259 That's nice. 299 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:32.159 I thought he looked terrible. 300 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:34.379 He did really look... 301 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:35.639 I mean... 302 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.679 It was filmed like last thing at night on a night shoot. 303 00:15:40.740 --> 00:15:42.659 Yeah, he did. 304 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.080 He didn't really get I love you out properly either at the end. 305 00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:49.679 Look, it looks terrible, but Barry Letts would have been very 306 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:50.340 pleased with it. 307 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:51.600 He would. 308 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:52.019 Exactly. 309 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.379 He would have died to get it looking that good. 310 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:58.320 I did notice some fringing. 311 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.200 Where's my CSO kitchen? 312 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:04.019 All right. 313 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.899 Well, speaking of Barry Letts, I guess the next thing to talk 314 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:11.580 about is, of course, next episode's possibly returning, villain 315 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:14.159 and that is Omega. 316 00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:18.059 What do we think of the plan to resurrect Omega at this point 317 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:19.440 Todd? 318 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:20.879 Oh my god. 319 00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:25.620 My initial reaction was, are you kidding me? 320 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:31.440 Like, I mean, you just keep mining and mining the history of the 321 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:31.740 show. 322 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.779 It's the 1st time I was true. 323 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.659 I just kind of thought, people are just going to go, what hell is 324 00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:36.960 this? 325 00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.700 We've got the last of the timelines. 326 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.980 Now we've got the 1st time lord, whatever. 327 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.379 Look, I'm actually all in. 328 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.899 Bring it on. 329 00:16:46.019 --> 00:16:47.399 I think this is the thing, right? 330 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:50.759 So Doctor Who, 20 years ago when it's brought back, was very 331 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.120 clearly and very specifically made to be as broad and as 332 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:55.080 successful as possible. 333 00:16:55.139 --> 00:17:02.039 It is now turned into a similar kind of thing in the IP space as 334 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.720 Star Wars or Star Trek or, you know, the Marvel movies, like to 335 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.099 use another Disney related example, and they are so heavy on 336 00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:11.880 continuity. 337 00:17:11.940 --> 00:17:15.000 So I don't, I mean, I, I can forgive it that because it has been 338 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:16.319 made for that sort of audience. 339 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:19.859 Now, it's being made for the fan audience. 340 00:17:19.980 --> 00:17:24.599 As long as they bring back that original mask and not the one, the 341 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:25.259 marketing kid. 342 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.599 Not Ian Collier's rubber mask. 343 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.519 But I mean, Russell has always done this and we've observed this 344 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:33.059 lots of times. 345 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.359 Season one is the Dalek season 2 is the Cyberman season 3 is the 346 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:36.660 master. 347 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.839 Season 4 is the Son Tarans and Davros. 348 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.720 You know, he brings things back from the old show. 349 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:46.319 But now he's bringing them back into a world where everything is 350 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:50.519 visible on iPlayer and nearly everything. 351 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:54.240 And so Omega, I think, is right for it. 352 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:58.319 And I do think that just description of him as the 1st time, Lord 353 00:17:58.319 --> 00:17:59.940 the 1st and most terrible time, Lord. 354 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.559 That's really enough, isn't it? 355 00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:02.519 Absolutely. 356 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:06.119 You know, I think for any new viewer, the Rani who has that 357 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.460 wonderful loan of, and this isn't dust exposition. 358 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:14.579 Um, but, you know, she, she gives us Omega's crib sheet without 359 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:17.640 having to go into, you know, you saved Gallifrey from him twice 360 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.440 and here he is in the red corner. 361 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:23.400 You know, she actually sets him up as this awesome figure. 362 00:18:23.460 --> 00:18:28.859 I find it very interesting that it's only used archival audio. 363 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.819 So if they if they cast a new actor, they haven't revealed that 364 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:33.119 yet. 365 00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:35.039 So it uses it does use Stephen Thorne. 366 00:18:35.099 --> 00:18:38.099 It doesn't use Ian Collier, apparently, according to Tartus Wikia 367 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:42.299 but it uses Daniel Brocklebank, who has played him for Big 368 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:42.779 Finish. 369 00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:47.880 Um, and it's using a big finish, which apparently is the 1st time 370 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:48.359 that's happened. 371 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:54.059 I think we've set him up well for next week, whether he appears or 372 00:18:54.059 --> 00:18:56.220 whether he is just a McGuffin. 373 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.559 I am wondering if he's just going to be a McGuffin. 374 00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:00.599 Brendan, I do agree with you. 375 00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:03.480 Like, I mean, maybe she won't find what she's looking for. 376 00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:06.359 Maybe it'll just be the hand of Omega. 377 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:07.920 We all know what that is. 378 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:08.940 Yep, yep. 379 00:19:09.539 --> 00:19:14.160 I think it's very clear why she's doing it and it's basically 380 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.099 narrated in Conrad's telling of the story. 381 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:21.839 Uh, you know, it's explained why it is that she's calling on 382 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:22.799 Omega. 383 00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:26.039 And I'm not going to kind of make it explicit in case people 384 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.700 haven't picked it up and don't want to hear, you know, me blurting 385 00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:30.000 it out. 386 00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:34.200 But I think the question won't be, are we going to find Omega at 387 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:34.440 all? 388 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:37.920 I don't think we could do this setup and then discover that Omega 389 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:38.940 wasn't important. 390 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.839 I think the question is, does the doctor successfully prevent him 391 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:43.619 from appearing? 392 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:46.680 And so we may see him or we may not. 393 00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:50.700 The doctor might be successful in preventing his kind of arrival. 394 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:55.019 I kind of want to see him as some sort of astral being made up of 395 00:19:55.019 --> 00:19:56.400 bits of the broken earth. 396 00:19:56.460 --> 00:20:03.900 Like, remake that mask out of the shard in the Eiffel Tower. like 397 00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:04.319 that a lot. 398 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:07.380 I do think that we do have to see that mask, though, don't you? 399 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.319 I think that if he is going to appear and then we're going to 400 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.319 dismiss him before he finally manifests himself or whatever. 401 00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:17.940 I think we do definitely want to see the original mask and that 402 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:22.380 the weird thing that they chose to go with for Arc of Infinity. 403 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.200 We can just forget that ever happened, I think. 404 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:28.920 Maybe maybe they get Peter Davison in and put Rice Crispies on his 405 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.859 face and he, he tears the mask off. 406 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.400 So long as we don't see what's underneath the original mask. 407 00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:38.700 Like nothing. 408 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.180 Stephen Thorn with a blue cloth bag over his head. 409 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:48.660 I've actually been thinking, Russell is just mad enough. to cast 410 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:50.759 Peter Davidson as Omega, right? 411 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:55.680 Because in the 3 doctors Omega's body is destroyed, the last time 412 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.099 we see him, he's mostly played by Peter Davidson and a little bit 413 00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:01.680 by Ian Collier with Rice Krispies on his face, but Peter 414 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.319 Davidson's still with us, Ian Collier isn't. 415 00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:06.420 And I reckon Davison would be up to it. 416 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.339 Like Davidson plays a good villain. 417 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.019 Oh yeah, he'd be awesome. 418 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:10.859 He's terrific. 419 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.359 Well, if next week is the last roll of the die, then you know why 420 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:16.619 not be all in, you know? 421 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.220 Yes. 422 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:18.240 Yeah, yeah. 423 00:21:18.299 --> 00:21:20.460 Yeah, I don't think there's any point going out on a half 424 00:21:20.460 --> 00:21:20.880 measure. 425 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:21.599 Make it huge. 426 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:25.200 I mean, when he left the 1st time, you know, we had that 427 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.559 cliffhanger where everyone on earth becomes the master in the most 428 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:33.900 just absurdly bonkers cliffhanger in the show's history, and then 429 00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:37.680 we have, you know, the time lords appear and Gallifrey rolling 430 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:42.299 into our sky and all of this sort of huge stuff that we never 431 00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:43.799 expected we would ever see again. 432 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:47.759 Like I do think that his instinct will be to just go completely 433 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:52.200 mad and given that he killed just about the entire universe last 434 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:52.500 year. 435 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:55.980 He's got to kind of top that in some way. 436 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:01.019 So I'm expecting big and loud and wonderfully fun. 437 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:05.039 I'm wondering on the returning doctor's front with a having 2 438 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.920 Ranis is an excuse to bring back tenant. 439 00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:09.480 And where is he during all? 440 00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:10.380 It's a possibility. 441 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:15.539 He's probably making a sandwich. cutting Shooty's toenails. 442 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:17.339 He's just a doctor. 443 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.039 And finally, we have the cliffhanger. 444 00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:27.240 And I've only made one Zelda reference on one of our podcast 445 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.019 before. 446 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:33.000 But I was getting very definite divine beast, Varna Boras, vibes 447 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.720 from that balcony, and particularly at plummeting towards Earth. 448 00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:39.839 We didn't talk about those bone monsters or anything. 449 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:41.880 They were amazing. 450 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:43.319 Yeah, they were so great. 451 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:45.240 The ones doing all the data stuff. 452 00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:46.200 I thought they were. 453 00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:48.240 No, no, the giant bone creatures. 454 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.099 Who were there for no reason. 455 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:52.980 You know, hopefully they're there for a reason next week. 456 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.880 No, because they fall through the earth with the buildings. they're 457 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.460 gone I think they're just there because they look cool. 458 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:04.319 And because they're unbelievable and it'll make people doubt 459 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:04.619 more. 460 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.440 Yep, that's a good point. 461 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:10.980 Like the world is bonkers to make people doubt. 462 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.500 Yes, that's brilliant. 463 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:14.759 Clearly, right. 464 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:15.599 Clearly what's happening. 465 00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:18.720 I also have the perspective that the Rani loves dinosaurs. 466 00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:24.059 So she wants to have dinosaurs, but dinosaurs eat a lot, but bone 467 00:23:24.059 --> 00:23:25.500 dinosaurs don't. 468 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.460 She gets the dinosaurs and she doesn't have to beat them. 469 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.759 Well, I mean, sometimes sores. 470 00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:36.180 Not baby T- rexes that have been knocked over by the doctor 471 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:37.380 fiddling with the tartars. 472 00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:45.119 So the doctor plummets to his apparent death saying that poppy is 473 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:45.480 real. 474 00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:50.700 That was interesting that he kept on fixating on that line. like 475 00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:52.500 that was so emphasised. 476 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.660 And I couldn't quite work out what was going on. 477 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.740 I think at that point, we just had Archie doing the biggest info 478 00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:02.759 jump ever in the history of the show about air frame and Tartuses 479 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:05.880 and 2 hearts and everything, and I was just all in for all of 480 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:06.119 that. 481 00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:09.900 But yes, I just didn't know what that actually meant. 482 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:10.920 Pop is real. 483 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:13.740 Also, how did she get there? 484 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.700 Like from from a, from baby station far, far in the future. 485 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.660 Well, I'm guessing the one of the Rani's kidnapped her for some 486 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:21.900 reason. 487 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:27.359 But she isn't the kind of baby that that we saw on in space babies 488 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.819 like she is a proper baby and like she's really great. 489 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.579 I think she's really funny in this, so she keeps saying no and 490 00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.640 stuff and and like I think she's kind of adorable. 491 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:39.599 But we do see her reaction, like for some reason we see her lying 492 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.539 in bed at some point as the world's collapsing and then later we 493 00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:46.619 see her in her grandmother's arms as the building sinks into the 494 00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:46.980 earth. 495 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.079 And so the fact that she's real. 496 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:53.220 She's not a result of the wishes and the wish world can't see her 497 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:56.519 you know, or something, you know, she's not the doctor's 498 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:56.819 daughter. 499 00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:58.380 I've got a theory. 500 00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.700 It's Jenny. 501 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:02.160 That's Richard's theory. 502 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:03.900 Jenny Ladd. 503 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:04.920 Yes. 504 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.500 Jenny from Dalek Invasion of Earth. 505 00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:10.920 All the jennies. 506 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:13.799 And this theory just came to me this afternoon. 507 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.599 In the 3 doctors. 508 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:21.240 We fall into an unreal world where wishes can come true, and the 509 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:26.220 only thing that is unaffected, and is thus real, is the doctor's 510 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:26.700 recorder. 511 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:32.519 What if Poppy hasn't been properly processed into this world? 512 00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:35.519 And so she'll explode at the end. 513 00:25:35.579 --> 00:25:38.460 I don't I don't really want that to happen. 514 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.859 The unknown, I don't want that to happen either, even though I 515 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.420 dislike space, baby. 516 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.180 I dislike those babies, but I draw the line at blowing them up. 517 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:51.779 Yeah. 518 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.160 An exploding space space. 519 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.140 How did we get here? 520 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.779 Brendan, what's your theory? 521 00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:01.680 Like an income on. 522 00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:05.220 Like, you're up to what, the space museum on the series too? 523 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.039 So I haven't I haven't done every story this season. 524 00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.400 So the connection to the space museum. 1st of all, we have 525 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.039 creatures wandering through this world, but not being a part of it 526 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.960 and importantly, not leaving footprints. 527 00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.039 So there's that. 528 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:21.720 And we also have a gang of rebels who by their own admission 529 00:26:21.779 --> 00:26:25.559 aren't probably the best people to do this, but they're all we've 530 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:28.500 got, damn it, until a Doctor Who companion comes along to help 531 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:28.799 them. 532 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.619 They have a normal number of eyebrows, though. 533 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.579 I want next episode for Ruby to scream. 534 00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:36.299 Revolution. 535 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:42.900 I want the next episode, Susan Foreman, Mel to have a showdown 536 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:45.539 with the Rani, because if that doesn't happen, I'm going to be 537 00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:46.799 really irritated. 538 00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:50.220 And just more fabulous from both the Ranis, really. 539 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.640 What if Mrs. Fard and Mel turn up in a scene and they're both 540 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:54.480 wearing the same outfit? 541 00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:55.740 That would be very funny. 542 00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:02.339 And I'd also like Belinda to get a bit more proper time too 543 00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:05.339 because I think, you know, this could be her last goal of the 544 00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:05.519 time. 545 00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:10.559 And I think that the one big weakness of this episode is we don't 546 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.720 really get to see the doctor and Belinda playing their normal 547 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.140 roles and that's kind of what we want and we don't see the doctor 548 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.119 confronting the Rani really properly. 549 00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:22.500 We are marking time in this alternative world that we know isn't 550 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:22.799 real. 551 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:26.759 So I did kind of miss the doctor and Belinda a bit. 552 00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:30.900 This is sort of really ominous bit at the very end, of course 553 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:35.099 where they push her out over the threshold and she disappears from 554 00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:35.400 reality. 555 00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:36.180 Yeah. 556 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:40.740 I'm not wanting to criticise something that hasn't happened yet 557 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:43.799 and that is the upcoming war between the land and the sea 558 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.700 spinoff. 559 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:46.799 And I'm don't get me wrong. 560 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:47.700 I looking forward to it. 561 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.259 But I realised today that if those 5 episodes had gone to Doctor 562 00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:55.980 Who, we could have had another Christmas special definitely for 563 00:27:55.980 --> 00:28:00.299 this year and another 2 episodes for each of shooty seasons, you 564 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:03.839 know, and but at the same time, I'm really looking forward to the 565 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.720 war between the land and the sea, because I like this unit team. 566 00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:07.980 I like Raffle Toby. 567 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.420 I like Goo Goo and Bartha Raw. 568 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:11.400 But it was just a thought that occurred to me today. 569 00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:17.339 So, you know, if that had been the case, given Shushi's schedule 570 00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:20.400 in the making of these 2 seasons, they would have been Dr. Light 571 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.420 episodes, probably. 572 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:22.319 True. 573 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:23.460 And you know, and you know what? 574 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.799 Building on what you just said, James, maybe that's the reason we 575 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.160 got this spinoff, that it's like, we have 26 slots, but we only 576 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.779 have shooting for this many episodes. 577 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.279 Yeah, right. 578 00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:32.819 Yeah, possibly. 579 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.740 And that explains why despite having a much bigger budget and, you 580 00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:41.220 know, Disney involved, why they're short seasons. 581 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.220 Does anyone have anything else? 582 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.660 I want to see Mel dressed in leather with studs? 583 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.119 Yes, fair, fair. 584 00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:56.279 And just to go back to that idea of, like, the runny dressing up 585 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:56.880 as companions. 586 00:28:56.940 --> 00:29:00.480 Mrs. Flood has been doing that all along and people picked up on 587 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:01.799 it, like she's dressed as Clara. 588 00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:02.759 She's dressed as Rory. 589 00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:04.500 She's dressed as the 1st Romana. 590 00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:06.960 This is just something the Rani does now. 591 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.960 Thank you, Kate. 592 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:15.059 I guess I've already touched on what I want to see, but I wouldn't 593 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:18.539 mind Mrs. Flood escaping to see another day. 594 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.539 Or the Rani, either one of them, depending on what happens. 595 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.079 I just hope that it can wrap things up in a satisfactory way. 596 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:27.900 I'm not giving a score to this week because I kind of find that 597 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:32.039 really hard because this is all set up and where is it going from 598 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.380 here and we'll see what happens, you know? 599 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:34.740 Yeah. 600 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:35.220 Yeah. 601 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:39.359 All right, in that case, I've got some things to plug. 500-year 602 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:44.700 diary series 2 just released its episode on Snake Dance on Sunday 603 00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:49.500 and this Sunday it's going to be the 2nd coming of the Silurians 604 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.319 and the Sea Devils in Warriors of the Deep. 605 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.599 And there is a possibility of some further Rani related content 606 00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.819 sometime in the near future. 607 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:04.140 So you can keep up with us on flightthroughentirety.com on Blue 608 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:08.700 Sky, or at FDE podcast on Mastodon. 609 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.319 Brendan, do you have anything to plan? 610 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:14.700 So this coming weekend, we'll be releasing the next episode of the 611 00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:19.440 three-handed game on the Tara King classic spoof of the prisoner. 612 00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:20.579 Wish you were here. 613 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:25.680 Which is thematically absolutely on point. 614 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.259 And of course, finally, untitled Star Trek project. 615 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:36.180 We just watched the series finale of Lower Decks, which is called 616 00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:40.559 the New Next Generation, and there is a terrible Voyager episode 617 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.759 sometime in our future. 618 00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:46.619 So head over to untitled Star Trek project.com to find that. 619 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:52.319 And so I guess all that remains is for me to say, until next time 620 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.440 it's good night from me, and it's good night from her. 621 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:58.440 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 622 00:30:58.500 --> 00:30:59.339 Good night. 623 00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:00.480 Ta-ta. 624 00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:01.380 See you soon.