WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:29:06 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.819 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd Grace and 2 00:00:02.819 --> 00:00:04.200 Bountiful Human Empire. 3 00:00:04.259 --> 00:00:07.440 The only Doctor Who flash cast that's happy the Doctor Who is 4 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:10.919 finally warning an unsuspecting public about the menace of 5 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:11.939 podcasting. 6 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.859 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:15.000 I'm James. 8 00:00:15.060 --> 00:00:16.440 I'm Simon. 9 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:18.059 I'm Todd. 10 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:23.160 And I'm the reason we no longer randomly date anymore, although 11 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.500 mostly armless for this episode. 12 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:34.259 Well, um, we are here to talk about series 2, season 2, uh, episode 13 00:00:34.259 --> 00:00:39.299 four, which is called Lucky Day, written by Pete McTie, and 14 00:00:39.299 --> 00:00:43.619 directed by Peter Whore, who we saw earlier on this year in the 15 00:00:43.619 --> 00:00:48.060 robot revolution, and then a very long time ago in A Good Man Goes 16 00:00:48.060 --> 00:00:48.659 to War. 17 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:54.479 So let's just start off by talking generally about how we felt 18 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:55.320 about this episode. 19 00:00:55.380 --> 00:00:58.320 I'm going to say quite positive. 20 00:00:58.380 --> 00:00:59.280 I liked it quite a lot. 21 00:00:59.340 --> 00:01:01.500 What did you think, Simon? 22 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.479 I really quite liked it a lot. 23 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:06.359 I think we all have to declare a differing levels of conflict of 24 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:12.239 interest here because I mean, I've known Pete McTie for 36 years 25 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:13.019 now. 26 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.540 Even putting that to one side. 27 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:19.379 I actually, I actually think it was a very, very, very strong 28 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:23.219 episode, I think it starts in a way that you think, oh, yes, I 29 00:01:23.219 --> 00:01:24.299 know what this is going to be. 30 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.219 And then it doesn't end up there at all. 31 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.819 It uses the single episode format really well, which is something 32 00:01:29.819 --> 00:01:33.480 I'm very positive about when stories do that rather than trying to 33 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.180 ape 4 episodes stories sort of squished together. 34 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:37.920 Look, it was entertaining. 35 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:41.939 It was exciting, interesting, well done, well performed, well 36 00:01:41.939 --> 00:01:43.140 written, what's not to like. 37 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:44.879 What did you think, Todd? 38 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.140 Well, a conflict of interest, also disclosure. 39 00:01:49.140 --> 00:01:54.120 In size of my beat for about 35 years as well, and um, I think 40 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:57.359 it's really challenging to do doctor light episodes after 20 41 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:57.659 years. 42 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.260 I think it's even more challenging to put them into an 8 episode 43 00:02:01.260 --> 00:02:04.379 season when people just want the doctor, the doctor, the doctor. 44 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:08.400 I think it's incredibly difficult to pull things off after an 45 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.280 excellent episode of Doctor Who, let alone 2 in a row. 46 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:16.139 So I think, you know, um, his back was up against the wall and 47 00:02:16.139 --> 00:02:19.439 actually pulling this one off, and I think he did admirably, and I 48 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.860 really enjoyed it, and I thought it was a very strong episode 49 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:25.080 possibly my favourite of his so far. 50 00:02:25.139 --> 00:02:28.199 I think it's my favourite episode of his so far. 51 00:02:28.259 --> 00:02:30.240 What did you think about it, James? 52 00:02:30.659 --> 00:02:33.780 What, say, like, what's my general feeling? 53 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:34.199 Yeah. 54 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.939 Well, I thought that was what Kate was doing with Ibrahim. 55 00:02:41.219 --> 00:02:44.699 Well, that's more than a general. more than a general feeling. 56 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.740 Oh, just feeling the general. 57 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.580 Anyway, I really enjoyed it. 58 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.460 I think I said this here at the pub last night. 59 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.960 Nathan. 60 00:02:55.020 --> 00:02:59.819 It's kind of like love and monsters, in a way, you know, and 61 00:02:59.819 --> 00:03:01.319 that's that's high praise. 62 00:03:01.379 --> 00:03:02.340 I love love monsters. 63 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.759 But if Elton Pope was a bastard. 64 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:06.659 Exactly. 65 00:03:08.340 --> 00:03:11.099 So, no, no, I really enjoyed it. 66 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:12.719 I thought it was really strong. 67 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:17.759 I thought it was like very well written disclaimer. 68 00:03:17.819 --> 00:03:20.639 I don't really know Pete McTai, but I still enjoyed it. 69 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:21.419 Brilliant. 70 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.759 That's the 1st independent statement we've had. 71 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:24.780 Yes, exactly. 72 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.020 Hastily backed up with a second. 73 00:03:28.139 --> 00:03:32.219 I only met dear Pete very briefly at Simon and Brian's wedding. 74 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:36.300 So I hadn't met him really before, and I was delighted to see his 75 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:39.300 name on this, because of course, everyone's a fan of Wentworth, and 76 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:44.819 is that, which obviously makes Wentworth Cannon now, because of 77 00:03:44.819 --> 00:03:45.479 the final scene. 78 00:03:45.539 --> 00:03:50.340 I really love a linear tight Doctor Who plot. 79 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.900 I really like something that just allows us and the heel turn was 80 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:55.379 superb. 81 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.280 The only thing that bothered me was the amount of empathy that the 82 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.240 young actor. 83 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:05.699 I also loved the duality of the very young fella playing Conrad at 84 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:11.039 8 and the actor playing him at 2526 because they did look alike. 85 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:15.539 But he had so much warmth and empathy in his eyes and watching Sky 86 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:19.620 News, if you managed to enjoy that on Saturday for their local 87 00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:22.980 federal elections in Australia, you could see that no one really 88 00:04:22.980 --> 00:04:26.040 had kind eyes. being reported. 89 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:28.199 Peter Pretland certainly didn't. 90 00:04:28.259 --> 00:04:31.079 But, um, it was it was just he was too warm. 91 00:04:31.139 --> 00:04:33.540 But then, of course, we're seeing him through Ruby's eyes. 92 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.899 So of course, when the mask falls and it's a flawless. 93 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:38.939 I want to hear Todd's view on this, but it was a flawless 94 00:04:38.939 --> 00:04:39.540 performance. 95 00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:43.439 And really, a very simple linear plot, a narrative gives the 96 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.899 actors lots of room to do what they do best. 97 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:50.100 And what Kate does best at whatever time of the morning that is in 98 00:04:50.100 --> 00:04:51.899 her Marvel Tower. 99 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.600 I haven't got questions why unit actually does need to show off 100 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:55.079 that much. 101 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.720 And I think that was a really nice, I'm sure Pete meant a really 102 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.180 nice nod on, it's not very English, is it? 103 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:00.959 It's not very British. 104 00:05:01.019 --> 00:05:02.639 You're all being a bit showy. 105 00:05:02.699 --> 00:05:05.579 I quite liked it when you're in an old shoe shop behind the Acton 106 00:05:05.579 --> 00:05:10.500 Hilton or wherever it was that Liz Shaw used to have to budge 107 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:11.100 into. 108 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:11.939 Or a country pile. 109 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.379 Ouch. 110 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:14.100 Yeah. 111 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.100 But anyway, um, perfect casting. 112 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:23.699 I was getting sort of strong Stuart from Queer's Folk Vibes 113 00:05:23.699 --> 00:05:25.500 actually, from the lead. 114 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:28.199 But prettier, obviously. 115 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:32.399 So this is a Dr. Light episode. 3rd Dr. Light episode in what 116 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.519 looks like it's going to be a fairly short era. 117 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:38.160 And obviously some people are unhappy about that. 118 00:05:38.220 --> 00:05:42.000 But I have to say that really it's only Russell's era that can 119 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:47.639 probably pull off a Dr. Light story because he creates a world. 120 00:05:47.699 --> 00:05:51.660 And in a sense, this is what I thought that the new RTD era was 121 00:05:51.660 --> 00:05:54.779 going to be like, that we would have more We would have more Mel. 122 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.660 We would have more cherry and Carla and all of that sort of 123 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:57.899 thing. 124 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.019 So I was really happy to see all that stuff again. 125 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.699 And I think we'd also seen that merely was capable of sustaining a 126 00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:08.759 whole doctor light episode on her own. 127 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:10.500 Yeah, well, she did that last year, didn't she? 128 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.339 She did that last year and that in 73 yards. 129 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.639 That's when I thought, wow, you've actually got something here. 130 00:06:17.699 --> 00:06:19.319 I wasn't that impressed before that point. 131 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:22.319 And so having her front and centre here, I knew that she was going 132 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:23.519 to be good and she was great. 133 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.060 Yeah, I don't find the character that didn't find the character 134 00:06:27.060 --> 00:06:31.920 that engaging when she's playing against shooty, but when she's 135 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:36.360 got these opportunities to basically have an episode to herself, I 136 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.399 think it really does show what she's capable of. 137 00:06:38.459 --> 00:06:40.500 Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? 138 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.500 Belinda seems to be sort of a much better drawn character. 139 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:44.639 Absolutely. 140 00:06:44.699 --> 00:06:49.980 A little bit more like the characters from RTD one, whereas merely 141 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:53.519 was kind of left to just kind of play the companion in a very 142 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:54.240 generic way. 143 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:57.300 She didn't have a very well drawn character, I think, which was 144 00:06:57.300 --> 00:06:58.980 surprising to me. 145 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:00.899 But I thought she was magnificent in this. 146 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.579 Again, I think it hinges on Millie's extraordinary performance, and 147 00:07:05.579 --> 00:07:09.779 once again, 73 yards was a fave for me last year, except I really 148 00:07:09.779 --> 00:07:14.759 want to know what old granny Millie was whispering into her 149 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.259 mother's ear that made her shoot off. 150 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:20.519 I'm still not really quite bitter about not knowing that. 151 00:07:20.579 --> 00:07:22.379 I want to hear what Todd thinks about that too. 152 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.899 I also want to... 153 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.540 Oh, because you've always got, you've always throw something in 154 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:28.620 there that no one expects. 155 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.139 But I also want to hear what Tom thinks about her hair because it 156 00:07:31.139 --> 00:07:34.139 did change quite a bit and it's quite long when she comes back. 157 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.180 So I think there's definitely going to be a short experience 158 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:36.600 there. 159 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:38.819 I hope so anyway. 160 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:44.220 But it was also really nice to get just to see, she's got an 161 00:07:44.220 --> 00:07:44.759 innocence. 162 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.000 And as, you know, a friend of the podcast, Alan, in the US, just 163 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:53.160 messaged and said, um, the scars that Millie shows at 20 years of 164 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.519 age of travelling with the doctor and having seen death and so 165 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.839 much are really, really forefronted here. 166 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:05.459 And really nicely played and maybe that's why she's so susceptible 167 00:08:05.459 --> 00:08:11.639 to Conrad because she's carrying a lot of unhealed experiences 168 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:12.360 just after that. 169 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:13.800 Yeah. well, of course she is. 170 00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:16.379 It's not just being adopted and the whole business with her 171 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:16.680 mother. 172 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:19.560 There's always with Russell. 173 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:23.220 There's deeper levels if you want to dig for them or look for 174 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:23.519 them. 175 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.360 And I think, and when I say Russell, I mean Russell Zera, because 176 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:33.899 Pete really really understood the character and why absolute 177 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:37.200 sympathy for everything merely went through in this one and Kate 178 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:38.460 as well, but for different reasons. 179 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:39.720 James. 180 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.340 I totally agree with that and that's one of the things I loved 181 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:52.259 about this episode is that we we often see how damaging the 182 00:08:52.259 --> 00:08:58.139 doctor's world is to people, but we don't usually delve into it 183 00:08:58.139 --> 00:08:58.740 this deeply. 184 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.539 We don't talk about it in mental health terms, which is I found 185 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:06.960 really refreshing, her sort of thing, I'm in trauma. 186 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:09.240 I've, I've, I've got PTSD. 187 00:09:09.299 --> 00:09:12.299 I, like last year was a lot. 188 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:13.679 I think I need some time. 189 00:09:13.740 --> 00:09:18.840 I found that really, like, like, it actually added to the realism 190 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.000 of this, you know, fantasy world that, you know, she thought gods 191 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.740 like she, what was that, that line? 192 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.840 I was eaten by a double bass. 193 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.240 Yeah, that was refreshing. 194 00:09:30.299 --> 00:09:33.539 Seeing her come to that realisation in real time. 195 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.919 And I just got sucked into her all that and and then Conrad was 196 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.620 there and it was obvious that he was going to be this healing 197 00:09:40.620 --> 00:09:41.519 energy for her. 198 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:45.539 And then, of course, it all just took a turn and what a turn it 199 00:09:45.539 --> 00:09:45.779 took. 200 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.940 Like, I mean, I was quite happy to go with the story that as it 201 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:48.480 was playing out. 202 00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:50.279 I thought, oh, yeah, no, that's decent, that's fine. 203 00:09:50.340 --> 00:09:54.179 But then with that betrayal, it just stepped it up a notch and the 204 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:55.919 way it went then, like it just took off. 205 00:09:56.340 --> 00:10:01.019 What I sort of think makes it work from that point of view is that 206 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:04.259 there are very few people for her to be able to talk to about the 207 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:04.740 experience. 208 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:08.639 I mean, I know at the end of Jody, we had kind of the ex-companion 209 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.659 sort of ex-companion's anonymous group talking about meeting the 210 00:10:12.659 --> 00:10:13.620 doctor and so on like that. 211 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:14.759 But this is different. 212 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:16.740 I mean, yes, she's got the unit people, but, you know, there 213 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:18.720 aren't very many of those that she can really sort of talk to on 214 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:19.200 the same level. 215 00:10:19.259 --> 00:10:23.879 And the point is that you can believe that she would open herself 216 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.120 up to Conrad and that's what's so refreshing. 217 00:10:27.179 --> 00:10:29.940 You're not sort of, it doesn't feel contrived. 218 00:10:30.059 --> 00:10:33.120 And I think that's that's a very great positive for the for the 219 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.720 script writing. 220 00:10:33.779 --> 00:10:35.820 I really, really bought the romance. 221 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.259 I love a romance. 222 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:40.679 You know, one of the reasons I loved rogue last year is I'm a big 223 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:44.159 sucker for romance and I thought that that was well done. 224 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:47.820 Here, what I think is interesting about this is we've never been 225 00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:51.179 here before with a companion and arguably in RTD one. 226 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:55.500 The companion who leaves on the on her own terms, but after a year 227 00:10:55.500 --> 00:10:58.799 of real proper trauma is Martha. 228 00:10:58.860 --> 00:11:01.440 And when she comes back, the following year, she just comes back 229 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.500 for contractual reasons to be in a couple of silly, terrible 230 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:04.980 stories. 231 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:06.899 And then she's off again. 232 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.080 Yeah, she doesn't really get a good roll of the dice there, does 233 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:10.379 she? 234 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:10.860 But anyway. 235 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.120 But this, you know, like, this is kind of what I always wanted, you 236 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.940 know, like, I think Kate has written before about what happens to 237 00:11:17.940 --> 00:11:21.000 companions after, you know, like after they leave the doctor and 238 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:21.299 stuff. 239 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.200 And so being able to see that and having an off format episode 240 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:29.220 where that's what it's about was so much more interesting than any 241 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:30.600 number of other things we could have done. 242 00:11:30.659 --> 00:11:34.799 I think as a doctor lied episode, it's not a kind of formal 243 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:39.000 exercise, the way that blink is, or love and monsters. 244 00:11:39.059 --> 00:11:39.659 Do you know what I mean? 245 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.259 It is just a story set in the world that's been created by this 246 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:44.519 new version of Doctor Who. 247 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:45.840 And I thought it was great. 248 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:46.799 I thought it was probably good. 249 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:51.120 This reminds me of the conversations that you often had when you 250 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:55.019 were recording the classic series at FTE when you'd talk about 251 00:11:55.019 --> 00:11:59.460 Sarah Jane Smith and what she went through and how that really 252 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:04.440 kind of she ceased being a real person because she went through so 253 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:09.419 much trauma and and they never really dealt with that, why she's 254 00:12:09.419 --> 00:12:12.179 still travelling with the doctor, this kind of... 255 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:16.080 Yeah, but there's a good way of doing, look, I mean, I accept that 256 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.100 as a criticism of that era, but I just, I just don't think that's 257 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:21.779 just the way the show and television works back then. 258 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.460 So it's sort of meaningless, right? 259 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:23.759 Okay. 260 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:26.700 But that is the way I do accept that that's something to a greater 261 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:28.200 extent is the way television works now. 262 00:12:28.259 --> 00:12:31.259 And I think doing it in this way, in this episode is far better 263 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:36.539 than some of the, let's see, worthy self-indulgent rubbish that 264 00:12:36.539 --> 00:12:39.659 you so often get when they're trying to do these sorts of things. 265 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:40.799 I'm not just talking about Doctor Who. 266 00:12:40.860 --> 00:12:42.480 I am talking about these sorts of shows generally. 267 00:12:42.539 --> 00:12:43.679 It's like just get on with it. 268 00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:46.320 I just want to go out to the next episode, you know, and I think 269 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.159 this doesn't. 270 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:50.399 And I have seen people talk in other forums about the fact that, oh 271 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:51.960 well, you know, they're not really, they don't watch Doctor Who 272 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.220 for a sort of a romance thing. 273 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:54.720 And I totally get that. 274 00:12:54.779 --> 00:12:57.000 I understand that, but I don't think that's really what we're 275 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:57.299 watching. 276 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.259 That's kind of the secondary colouring that makes the episode more 277 00:13:01.259 --> 00:13:02.940 interesting than otherwise would be. 278 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.700 That makes it more than just a perfunctory getting from A to B to 279 00:13:05.700 --> 00:13:05.940 C. 280 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.279 Yeah, no, I thought I thought that was great. 281 00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:10.559 One of the things is, though, that we've always had the doctor 282 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.919 improve the lives of the people that have travelled with him in 283 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:15.299 the RTD era. 284 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.639 You know, Rose gets her family back. 285 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:19.620 Martha reconnects with her family. 286 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:21.120 She's perhaps the counterexample. 287 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:25.200 Donna, obviously, things go terribly, but now they're great. 288 00:13:25.259 --> 00:13:26.700 Do you know what? 289 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.860 I don't think that's unique to identity. 290 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.440 I think as a rule, most companions are better off after they've 291 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:32.519 experienced life. 292 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:33.240 Maybe not, Lisa. 293 00:13:33.299 --> 00:13:34.320 I disagree. 294 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:35.639 I think she's learned SMR. 295 00:13:36.419 --> 00:13:37.019 Perry. 296 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.720 Well, Adric. 297 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:43.500 I mean, address, obviously. contributing to the subtitle of the 298 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:46.200 universe, more from Jojo. 299 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:47.940 Yeah. 300 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:50.820 So let's move on and talk about the man of the hour, which is 301 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:55.200 Conrad Clark, which I think is a pretty great performance, and I 302 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:56.700 definitely didn't see it coming. 303 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:58.919 He was extraordinary. 304 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:00.659 Absolutely extraordinary. 305 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.460 Totally bought him as the love interest, and I thought, and then 306 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:07.679 just the moment he turned. 307 00:14:07.740 --> 00:14:08.940 It was just incredible. 308 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.960 Like he's a really strong actor and having him against her and 309 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:17.580 then Gemma, who I thought was extraordinary as well on this one. 310 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.120 But what you're doing with an actor like that is it's not just the 311 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.580 fact that the character is all sweet and lovely and then turn 312 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:25.019 suddenly in that one scene. 313 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:29.460 It's also because that actor is in general cast in the romantic 314 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:30.840 lead, the hero roles. 315 00:14:30.899 --> 00:14:34.320 And so we as an audience are expecting his character to be a 316 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.820 certain kind of character. 317 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.620 And that's clever. 318 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.419 That's good casting. 319 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:46.019 He's Eric in the live action, um, little mermaid, for God's sake. 320 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.519 Yeah, so I haven't either, but I've, you know, checked up his bio 321 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.740 and just to see if I can find any... 322 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:56.279 I know him for World on Fire, which is sort of a World War 2 323 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.200 leading into World War 2 kind of drama. 324 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.200 He's got that sad face and he's a sympathetic character and 325 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:01.799 someone like that. 326 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:02.820 So it all works. 327 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.360 He seems to be making a lot more money out of podcasting than we 328 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:06.539 are. 329 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:07.559 Can I just say that? 330 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:10.139 There are people out there like that. 331 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:11.580 I didn't know what we're doing wrong, Nathan. 332 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:13.320 Come on. 333 00:15:13.379 --> 00:15:14.159 You know? 334 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:16.980 Monetise it. monetise it. 335 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:20.639 The podcast needs to be sponsored by a kind of mattress, doesn't 336 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:20.759 it? 337 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:21.960 Yeah, yeah. 338 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:29.700 I also thought, too, that we now have 2 female companions in this 339 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:33.240 era who have horrific alt-right boyfriends. 340 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:38.159 So obviously in the robot revolution, we had, you know, the 341 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.659 appalling owl. 342 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:44.399 And now in this episode, we have Conrad, who goes a kind of full 343 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:48.539 full maga, you know, by the end of the episode. 344 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.919 What did you think, Richard? 345 00:15:50.460 --> 00:15:57.840 Well, yeah, um, this podcast will definitely need to go QAnon from 346 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.059 now on to reap any benefits. 347 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.120 I do want to know Alan races as well. 348 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:06.120 I want to know, come on, Gran, if you're finding all these titty 349 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.159 pics on the interwebs. 350 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.200 Why aren't you finding his QAnon pages? 351 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.980 Or maybe ladies that age don't even notice it or didn't even 352 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:14.759 recognise it. 353 00:16:14.820 --> 00:16:18.120 But it is odd that Ruby got no warning. 354 00:16:18.179 --> 00:16:20.220 But that's just, you know, narrative. 355 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:23.700 Yeah, that kind of irritated me. 356 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.779 And yes, of course, it's narrative necessity, but it's, it's the 357 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.080 so he's, uh, you know, he's an alright weirdo. 358 00:16:31.139 --> 00:16:32.700 But they're not discreet. 359 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.259 They're usually quite loud. 360 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.480 Like, how does she not know that going to the podcast? 361 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:40.200 Well, the podcast isn't an alright podcast, isn't it? 362 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:40.799 isn't the podcast? 363 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:43.740 It's a trap. to gather evidence at a trap. 364 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:44.279 Yes, yeah. 365 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:45.120 Oh, okay. 366 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:47.159 And they're playing the long game. 367 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.600 Yeah, he's playing the long. 368 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.539 And then he gets to and have his logo. 369 00:16:51.539 --> 00:16:54.840 I don't know who his prop makers are, but obviously in Cardiff 370 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:58.259 because I love those shriek hats that the boys were wearing and 371 00:16:58.259 --> 00:17:02.399 I've definitely got my Christmas sorted if I could get those 2 372 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:02.940 lads in. 373 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:06.299 Very festive. 374 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.680 Well, with the reindeer horns. 375 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:09.059 I mean you're already set, aren't you? 376 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.240 Look, the young man, who did play Conrad? 377 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:16.500 I didn't recognise him from, I'm not necessarily a little mermaid 378 00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:21.359 fan, but superb performance, and the Vault face is on a dime 379 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:21.960 perfect. 380 00:17:22.019 --> 00:17:23.339 That lad could play anything. 381 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:25.380 He really could. 382 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.980 And I thoroughly believed all of it, and I had huge sympathy. 383 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.380 The only people I didn't have sympathy for were unit because 384 00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:35.339 they're so bloody tizzy and twangy and out there, honestly, if 385 00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:38.880 you're going to play Marvel, you know, if you, if you want to be 386 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:43.380 you know, Iron Man's Castle, then, then, you know, just hire 387 00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:47.039 Robert Downey Jr. and and give the whole damn thing to that woman 388 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.740 who puts stone eggs up her jacksy for a living. 389 00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:52.380 And, you know, I mean, really, it all makes perfect nonsense. 390 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.819 Look, I think the sort of the, in the various shades of alt right 391 00:17:56.819 --> 00:17:58.140 and QAnon and so on that there are. 392 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.359 I mean, Al and Conrad kind of represent slightly different 393 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:01.140 flavours of them. 394 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.480 I don't think I don't think the Al character was written 395 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:04.319 particularly well. 396 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:07.380 I think it was a very one dimensional version of that possibility 397 00:18:07.380 --> 00:18:09.539 whereas I think with Conrad, we actually get a three-dimensional 398 00:18:09.539 --> 00:18:10.920 version of it. 399 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:12.660 In robot revolution. 400 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.380 He's a function of the plot, whereas here he's actually a 401 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:19.500 character that you're kind of interested in finding out how you 402 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:19.980 what do you like? 403 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.960 I think it's so cleverly done because, in the world we live in, you 404 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.019 have all of these people running podcasts and having blogs and 405 00:18:28.019 --> 00:18:31.440 getting into the dark places of the internet because they're 406 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.339 convinced that there are dark forces in the government working to 407 00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:39.119 hide the truth from us about all these things, whether it's 408 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.180 vaccines, how vaccines work or whether it's aliens or whether it's 409 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:43.859 the moon landing or whatever it is, right? 410 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:48.180 And now we're kind of turning this on ahead because in this 411 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:54.240 universe, which the current Doctor Who program is in, we do 412 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.940 believe the general public does believe in aliens and unit is a 413 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:57.240 real thing. 414 00:18:57.299 --> 00:19:00.240 And so the fact that, of course, what these people believe is the 415 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.740 fact that it's all fake. 416 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.920 It's like people, because I mean, I've known people, I've 417 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.920 encountered people who believe the COVID vaccine was a way to 418 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:08.640 control this. 419 00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:10.619 When you press it, of course. 420 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.680 They don't actually admit that it's because they think that we're 421 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.960 being injected by microchips or whatever the hell it is because 422 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.960 it's constantly shifting and that's why this is so cool because 423 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.680 even when comrade is confronted with the evidence and with the 424 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.859 doctor actually materialising his TARDIS around him at the end 425 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.519 even the hard evidence is not enough to convince him because he 426 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.160 then just goes off to another explanation as to how it's all 427 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:32.640 fake. 428 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:38.160 And I just think it is such a beautiful and more subtle take on 429 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.619 the problems of the modern era. 430 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.740 And I think the problem with some of the other, the stuff that's 431 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:47.519 actually written by RTT is that it's got a great big hammer that 432 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.380 comes down and beats us over the head with it. 433 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:54.119 Whereas here, it just happens in front of you and it, it's the 434 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:58.140 same thing, but just that difference in execution is, makes all 435 00:19:58.140 --> 00:20:00.960 the world to man why I think this is so much better than some of 436 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:01.980 the stuff we've seen before. 437 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.359 Well, I think that's a really good observation, Simon, and I do 438 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:07.259 like what you said there. 439 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.940 I just was enthralled with what they were doing with unit, and I 440 00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:16.380 thought Jim and Redgrave and and her plot line and what she 441 00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:19.319 brought to the table was far more than, I mean, I think I 442 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:20.339 generally think she's very good. 443 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.880 But just seeing the whole team there. 444 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:27.720 And then I had to laugh when the blinks evacuated from the 445 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:28.980 situation. 446 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.180 But pushing her, like, you know, with her father and all of that 447 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:36.660 stuff, all those little bits that, you know, Pete knows the 448 00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:38.880 history of Doctor Who, I just thought was just icing on the cake. 449 00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:43.680 It's that thing where he's actually got the thing in front of 450 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:43.980 him. 451 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:50.099 Like the wretched shriek is right there, next to him, and he says 452 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:51.059 brilliantly. 453 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.599 Your special effects have got a lot better before it chomps his 454 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.420 arm off, which I just think is so great. 455 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.079 Even when it's there, it's still special effects, and of course 456 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.579 the special effects have got a lot better. 457 00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:06.359 It's nice to have a rubber monster every so often and just to see 458 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.819 how well executed they can be nowadays. 459 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.579 I have a question about it. 460 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.180 What sort of security screening these people getting? 461 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.799 I mean, like, Josh is like a new, a new staff member. 462 00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:21.900 He doesn't seem to have gone through any sort of security 463 00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:22.859 screening. 464 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:26.759 Um, like suddenly they just go, oh, look at all this alt right 465 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.000 stuff. 466 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.380 And he's a conspiracy theory. 467 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:32.099 I said, oh my God, obviously he's dodgy. you didn't do that before 468 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:33.059 you employed him. 469 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:34.019 Yeah. 470 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:35.880 Oh, well, it's interesting. 471 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.099 Oh, well, I didn't notice that till now. 472 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:40.980 That's the point. 473 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.900 If you don't notice it when you're watching it, it doesn't matter 474 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:43.259 for me. 475 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:47.940 So we didn't get to see, we didn't get to see the doctor until the 476 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:48.660 very end. 477 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.940 What did you think of that final confrontation? 478 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.380 I have to say that I loved the line and I've been thinking of it 479 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:58.920 over and over again, the line where he just says, you're 480 00:21:58.920 --> 00:21:59.819 exhausting. 481 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:04.799 And, you know, the last... 482 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:05.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 483 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.180 I can just hear Pete saying that actually. 484 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:09.960 Yes. 485 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.240 I thought it was phenomenal. 486 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:16.920 I thought it was really good and I thought it, it showcased 487 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.400 shooting in a different way, you know, I was relieved we didn't 488 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:24.539 have tears, which I keep putting up, but, you know, it was funny. 489 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.420 I didn't really miss the doctor and Belinda from the episode, I 490 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:31.079 think they were used, you know, well, and coming in at the end to 491 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:32.880 bookend at both ends. 492 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:33.420 I thought it was good. 493 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:40.079 Um, I think sometimes we love what we love more for their absence 494 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:46.440 and holding his powder till that last scene gave shooting enormous 495 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:52.740 gravitas and presence and it is a perfect scene with 2 formidable 496 00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:53.640 young actors. 497 00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:59.819 I'm just impressed that the skills, the the actual just basic 498 00:22:59.819 --> 00:23:04.440 physical skills of these actors at such a young age, whatever the 499 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:07.680 training is they get now, it isn't what we saw in the 70s. 500 00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.200 Um, it really isn't. 501 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.019 It's spot on. 502 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:18.720 It was absolutely proper national theatre, rage and repression and 503 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.339 perfectly done. 504 00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:25.140 And of course, whatever wisdom will fall on deaf ears, that's the 505 00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:30.059 whole point, and it's the futility of opposition with those who 506 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:31.440 choose to remain deaf. 507 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:36.180 That, again, what, which Russell's era does so well. 508 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:41.819 We realise whatever we do, there's no point because we won't be 509 00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:42.180 heard. 510 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:43.619 Very dark. 511 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.460 But then that's what this that's what this show does now. 512 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.599 It's the, I deny your reality almost as if it's, you know, like a 513 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:52.740 science fiction thing. 514 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:57.539 You know, it's Colin confronted with a giant fly in Vengeance on 515 00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:58.319 Faros. 516 00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:01.319 But what he's denying is the reality of actual reality. 517 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.420 Like the doctor tells him the truth. 518 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.900 And he says, I'm sorry, but that's not where I choose to live. 519 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.440 And that's basically what we are kind of facing. 520 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:16.200 The same cognitive dissonance we get with the turf walls that we 521 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.380 get with, it doesn't really matter. climate change. 522 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.579 It doesn't matter what the topic is. 523 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.420 It's all horrific. 524 00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:24.059 And it all meets the same brick wall. 525 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.539 So do we think this is going to lead into something? 526 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:29.099 Is this where we go? 527 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.779 Is this what the finale is about? 528 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:32.759 I don't know. 529 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.619 But I hope it didn't. 530 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.759 I just want it to exist. 531 00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:36.660 You know what I mean? 532 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.599 I don't feel the need to have it all. 533 00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:41.220 I don't want there to be a resolution. 534 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.019 I just want it to end where it ended. 535 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.460 I think that's nice. 536 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.279 It becomes a little vignette that's a thing that happens. 537 00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:51.299 But I just wonder whether it's playing the sort of utopia role 538 00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:52.799 or... 539 00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:56.819 Yeah, you know, or to a lesser extent, 73 yards, which introduces 540 00:24:56.819 --> 00:25:00.839 Roger App Willam, who has a pretty negligible role in the finale 541 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.339 but is at least mentioned. 542 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.420 But here I wonder, you know, you've got Mrs. Flood releasing him 543 00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:07.019 from prison. 544 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:11.880 Does that mean that we see him at the end in the reality war, which 545 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.319 is the name of the final episode? 546 00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:18.059 I want Mrs. Flood's character in this episode to be called Vinegar 547 00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:18.359 Tits. 548 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:19.440 Yeah, she is. 549 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.599 No, she doesn't need to. 550 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:23.460 No, no, she needs to be called something like, no, he calls her 551 00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:24.900 something sensible. like Joan. 552 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:31.799 I love the fact that all 4 episodes this season have all been 553 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:32.759 slightly different. 554 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:34.619 They've all been very strong. 555 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.160 I give this a strong age with a highly recommendation that it's 556 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.079 going to go up when I watch it again. 557 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.299 Seeing her family back. 558 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.220 You know, I just thought that was just lovely. 559 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.039 And both mums and all the mums really. 560 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.380 He's lying about collecting mums. 561 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.559 Yes, you've already got 2 what you do collect. 562 00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:55.440 Russell and East frigging mums. 563 00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:56.220 Love it. 564 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:56.819 Love it. 565 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.779 Yeah, I thought that was very cute. 566 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.599 I love the, you know, you know, that they were looking up 567 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.240 shirtless peaks of him on Instagram and all of that sort of 568 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:06.480 thing. 569 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.099 I did think that that was kind of cute. 570 00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:09.779 And kind of unresolved. 571 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.339 And it was kind of what you wanted to see. 572 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.920 Like, you did want to see that whole situation working. 573 00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:17.700 I think we were left with the feeling that it would be like that 574 00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:20.940 but just seeing her biological mother in the kitchen with the 575 00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.200 other 2 was pretty great. 576 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.519 Hmm. 577 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.640 One little thing I just wanted to touch on too, which we probably 578 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.400 otherwise won't cover is talking about exhausting. 579 00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.859 And something that was not exhausting about this episode was the 580 00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:32.099 music. 581 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:37.619 Murray was seemed quite reeled in and providing what I would judge 582 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:41.400 to be a suitable score for the episode as opposed to just 583 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:41.759 something. 584 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.640 There's a lot of Ruby's theme, which I thought was really 585 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.619 beautiful last year and I was happy to hear that back. 586 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.799 Yeah, but there's not... it's not that stuff. 587 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:53.160 It's the other stuff that Murray does, which where he intrudes on 588 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.500 the action rather than supporting it, which I object to, but 589 00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:56.400 that's that's me. 590 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.619 I didn't hear that this time. 591 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.299 Did you hear the Blade Runner's stings? 592 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.099 To be the vangelist. 593 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:02.819 I didn't notice that. 594 00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:04.380 Yeah, there were 3 of them. 595 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:09.119 And they come in, that marvellous scene with Conrad, working into 596 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:13.619 the warehouse and the dummies have tulle veils over them exactly 597 00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:17.700 like JF Sebastian's apartment when you 1st see Chris under the... 598 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.740 Oh, there were some real little visual cues there. 599 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.579 And yeah, there's 3 chords that Vangelis uses throughout the Blade 600 00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:24.059 Runner score. 601 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.160 Oh, lots of lovely depth in this, yeah. 602 00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:28.920 And I do have to say that I did like her hair, Richard. 603 00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:30.240 I think it's. 604 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.339 It's very late, Joe Grant. 605 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.079 I'm making playing the Daleks. 606 00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:36.660 So, you know, thumbs up for me. 607 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:42.420 And she even got stuff squirted all over her neck and face like 608 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:43.619 planted. 609 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.880 Oh, yes. 610 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:48.119 And it was the right colour as well. did love that. 611 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:49.920 Please tell me I haven't been peed on. 612 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:51.779 I just thought it was really great. 613 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:52.740 That's very cute. 614 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:58.140 All right, that's all the time then that we have for this week. 615 00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.519 I've got some things to plug. 616 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.740 The 2nd episode of the 2nd season of 500 year diary was released 617 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:06.299 on Sunday. 618 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.200 And in it, we talked about the moon base. 619 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:11.460 Next week. 620 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.319 We'll be back with everyone's favourite giant green fibreglass 621 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:21.420 lizards from Mars in the seeds of death, their 2nd appearance on 622 00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:21.720 the show. 623 00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:26.460 You can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety.com on Blue Sky 624 00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:30.299 and we're FDE podcast just about everywhere else. 625 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.779 And a new episode of the three-handed game dropped on Sunday. 626 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.920 Brendan tells me. 627 00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:42.660 It's a new Avengers episode called Emily, and Emily is a car. 628 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:48.000 It is the very last thing they ever filmed and also, I won't spoil 629 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.579 the powder if you want to listen to it, but we had a lovely time 630 00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:51.059 doing it. 631 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.579 And there's fascinating facts in it. 632 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.299 Yes. 633 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:59.819 And then, of course, your weekly dose of Star Trek nonsense with 634 00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:04.920 Joe Ford and Me is available at Untitled Star Trek project. 635 00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:09.900 So all that remains is for me to say, until next time, remember 636 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:12.539 that those people are exhausting. 637 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.940 So take good care of yourselves. 638 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.220 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 639 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.839 Good night. 640 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:19.920 Good night. 641 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.180 See you soon. 642 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:22.380 And good night.