WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:29:10 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.120 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd Great and 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.900 Bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flashcast that's 3 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:10.439 decided that tomorrow is definitely going to be shoulder day. 4 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:12.179 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:13.439 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:13.500 --> 00:00:15.779 I'm James and I'm Todd. 7 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:20.460 Well, we're here to talk about series 2, episode one. 8 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:22.379 I think it's season two, episode one, isn't it? 9 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:24.780 Is that the right way you're talking about it? 10 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:25.859 nomenclature? 11 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:26.579 Yes, yes. 12 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:31.379 And it's the Robot Revolution by Russell T. Davis as usual, and 13 00:00:31.379 --> 00:00:35.759 directed by Peter Hore, who we will see later this season, but we 14 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:41.219 already know him from a good man goes to war, and it's a sin, it 15 00:00:41.219 --> 00:00:41.700 turns out. 16 00:00:42.539 --> 00:00:45.539 So this is an exciting new episode. 17 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.659 The beginning of a new companion's tenure on board the TARDIS. 18 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.520 So there's a lot to talk about, but let's just start by talking 19 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.960 generally about how we felt about the episode. 20 00:00:58.020 --> 00:01:00.359 Todd, do you want to start us off? 21 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:04.500 Was a much better opener than last year. 22 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:05.400 Polish. 23 00:01:05.459 --> 00:01:07.799 I would give it at least a seven. 24 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:08.640 Polish. 25 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:10.739 I can't keep doing this for much longer. 26 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:11.519 Manny. 27 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:21.060 Now, I'm someone who didn't think that Space Babies was the crime 28 00:01:21.060 --> 00:01:26.519 against humanity that some of our associates thought it was, but I 29 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.340 thought this was sort of up there with it. definitely enjoyed 30 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:29.819 myself. 31 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.739 What did you think, Brendan? 32 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.099 Um, on 1st viewing. 33 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.819 I was left kind of confused by it, but I rewatched it today and 34 00:01:38.819 --> 00:01:40.140 enjoyed it a great deal more. 35 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:45.180 I think it probably is a better opener than space babies, but I am 36 00:01:45.180 --> 00:01:47.040 also someone who quite enjoyed space babies. 37 00:01:47.099 --> 00:01:49.439 And finally, how about you, James? 38 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:54.840 Well, unlike Todd, I could stand to do many much longer. 39 00:01:54.900 --> 00:01:58.019 I know that's not what you meant, Todd. 40 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.340 But no, I really enjoyed it. 41 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.239 I really enjoyed it. 42 00:02:00.299 --> 00:02:03.180 And like Brendan, I quite enjoyed Space Babies as well. 43 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:04.439 I thought this was much stronger. 44 00:02:04.500 --> 00:02:09.300 It was just a good solid story with some really interesting 45 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:13.740 concepts behind it and it was just, yeah, it was a lot of fun and 46 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:15.479 made social commentary. 47 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.659 It's kind of funny, isn't it? 48 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.020 Because when you're comparing it to like previous Russell T. Davies 49 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:23.280 season openers. 50 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:28.020 They're all like, you know, nearly 20 years old. 51 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.800 And so it's kind of impossible, I think, to kind of cast your mind 52 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.900 back and think how you felt. 53 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.960 And, you know, just the kind of level of emotion that I have about 54 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.599 literally all 4 of those. 55 00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:43.199 You know, I have to remember, I'm not going to feel that about 56 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:43.620 this. 57 00:02:43.620 --> 00:02:46.199 And I didn't feel that about space babies. 58 00:02:46.259 --> 00:02:50.099 And so it's a little bit kind of hard to judge, but I thought it 59 00:02:50.099 --> 00:02:54.840 was really fun and just looked amazingly gray and was very 60 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.919 different from any of those openers, which I'm definitely up for. 61 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:06.419 So the most important new element that the show has this season is 62 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:10.560 Varada Sithu, who is playing Belinda Chandra. 63 00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:17.639 We met her in Boom last year and she is a very different companion 64 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.500 I think, from what we've had before. 65 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:24.300 I know we always say that, but this kind of definitely seems like 66 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:24.539 that. 67 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.699 What did you make of her, Todd? 68 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.159 She was wonderful. 69 00:03:29.219 --> 00:03:31.860 She out-acted shooting. 70 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.479 She acted him off the screen. 71 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:36.539 She left him in the dust as far as I'm concerned. 72 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.219 She is Romana one. 73 00:03:40.139 --> 00:03:42.659 Maybe she is from mano one. 74 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.979 But then again, I think this story is a mix of Flash Gordon and 75 00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:52.020 mixed with the Armageddon factor. 76 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:56.219 But good, you mean? 77 00:03:57.060 --> 00:03:59.580 Yes, I've already said that. 78 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:04.020 Actually, Richard wanted us to mention like John Carter of Mars 79 00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:07.500 and stuff, you know, those Edgar Rice Burrows things. 80 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:11.039 And even kind of like the last Starfighter, it's got that sort of 81 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.060 feel to it, you know, someone from Earth for some reason, he's 82 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:19.139 revered by an alien civilisation who to kind of get them so that 83 00:04:19.139 --> 00:04:23.160 they can take their rightful place as queen or champion or 84 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:23.579 whatever. 85 00:04:23.699 --> 00:04:26.939 So there is that and that is something that we've never had 86 00:04:26.939 --> 00:04:27.420 before. 87 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:32.819 And we haven't had a reluctant companion, I think, am I right? 88 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.740 Have we had a reluctant companion in the new series? 89 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.740 Oh, Donna, for our 1st story. 90 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:40.740 Yeah, yeah, but after that, she seeks him out, doesn't she? 91 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.339 And she brings luggage. you know she's definitely there. 92 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:50.699 Yeah, I think I think the closest we've had is Martha, uh, in the 93 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:55.439 Santara and um, the doctor's daughter, where, you know, she's not 94 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.240 meant to be going in the Tartars. 95 00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:59.339 That's not a full-time thing. 96 00:04:59.339 --> 00:05:01.740 And previously, she did want to be there full-time. 97 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.720 Yeah, yeah. 98 00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:05.639 And I think it's a great touch. 99 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:10.199 I'm surprised we haven't had one of those for years or the idea 100 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:11.639 that we can't get back. 101 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:16.560 You know, that's something we've often said, oh, Peter Capaldi 102 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:18.899 can't control the Tartars in his 1st scene, we're not going to get 103 00:05:18.899 --> 00:05:19.079 back. 104 00:05:19.139 --> 00:05:20.160 Oh, no, wait, we're back. 105 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:23.220 Jodie Whittaker loses the Tardis in her 1st seat. 106 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:24.300 Oh, wait, no, we're back. 107 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:24.660 Yeah. 108 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:26.339 So it's nice that they're finally doing it. 109 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:27.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 110 00:05:27.899 --> 00:05:32.040 It's, um, it's, it's, it's a thing that they do too, where they 111 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.279 they don't fall into some of the pitfalls that previous reluctant 112 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.240 companions, you know, because if you've got a reluctant companion 113 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.060 the audience is not in sympathy with them, unless they kind of 114 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:45.420 hate watching the show, I guess, we all want to be with the doctor 115 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:46.139 to who fans? 116 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:47.100 Well, yeah, no, that's fair. 117 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.720 We all want to be with a doctor, and so we think that Tegan is 118 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:53.819 crazy for not wanting to travel with him. 119 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:01.980 And it really goes out of its way, I think, to show that it's not 120 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:03.360 that she's unadventurous. 121 00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:08.579 It's not that she uh, is small-minded or anything like that and 122 00:06:08.579 --> 00:06:14.339 they go, they do such a good job of presenting how warm and and 123 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:17.100 you know, smart and and caring she is. 124 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:17.819 Humane. 125 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:18.420 Humane. 126 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:19.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 127 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.100 And it's part of her makeup is part of her job, but she is 128 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:27.959 actually also a really caring person who loves being a nurse. 129 00:06:28.019 --> 00:06:29.939 Yeah, because she's making a difference in the world. 130 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.079 Yeah, I mean, that opening scene with her in the hospital is a bit 131 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.620 similar, I think, to Martha's very 1st scene, maybe not quite as 132 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:40.920 funny, but just, you know, that it is just a series of little 133 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.620 scenes that show what she's like as a person. 134 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.100 And she's not reluctant to travel with a doctor. 135 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:51.360 She's just seen the doctor's previous companion die. 136 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:56.399 And so, you know, and she is wary of him. 137 00:06:56.459 --> 00:06:59.699 And I think that that's pretty, you know, interesting. 138 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.000 You know, she this is all still kind of part of the kidnap in a 139 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:03.240 way. 140 00:07:03.300 --> 00:07:05.819 And so I'm really sympathetic to that. 141 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.040 I think that that's going to be an interesting dynamic. 142 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.519 And also she calls him out on that thing. 143 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:14.160 He always does to people where he scans them without permission 144 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.939 and she calls him out for not asking for consent for testing her 145 00:07:17.939 --> 00:07:20.759 DNA, which is definitely handled as well. 146 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:25.079 I like what you said there, that she's wary of him. 147 00:07:25.139 --> 00:07:26.519 And I think that's a good thing. 148 00:07:26.579 --> 00:07:27.480 Yeah. 149 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:28.139 Yeah. 150 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:30.060 And she so she's not in awe of him. 151 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.480 You know, she doesn't and and that's a really good contrast with 152 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.459 with Milly, isn't it? 153 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.360 Because she's much younger than shooty as an actor and, you know 154 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.639 much younger than the doctor appears as a character. 155 00:07:41.699 --> 00:07:45.540 Belinda's got to be in her sort of early to mid 30s. 156 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.699 And the actor is. 157 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.779 But, you know, she had a boyfriend 17 years ago, a horrible, odious 158 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:53.279 boyfriend 17 years ago. 159 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:58.139 Um, then, you know, she's definitely older and so she's not in awe 160 00:07:58.139 --> 00:07:58.439 of him. 161 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:02.100 She doesn't want him to fight her battles and she is the one who 162 00:08:02.100 --> 00:08:04.139 stands up and resolves the plot. 163 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:10.139 Hmm, she's also a sci-fi nerd because she gets the plot device. 164 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.620 She goes, oh, you know, like she works out the Belenovic 165 00:08:13.620 --> 00:08:14.519 limitation effect. 166 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:22.139 And basically, you know, signposts towards how she is going to 167 00:08:22.139 --> 00:08:24.360 resolve the plot. 168 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:27.720 Um, so she has seen Modred undead. 169 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.180 You see, this is the thing, right? 170 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.920 She goes, oh, I've seen movies. 171 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.600 And I sat there thinking, I can't readily think of any sci-fi 172 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.600 movies that have something similar to the Blinovic limitation 173 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.919 effect because, you know, time travel movies are a subgenre within 174 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:44.580 sci-fi. 175 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.519 So there's less of them than there is, say, alien or Star Trek or 176 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:48.059 Star Wars. 177 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:51.360 Uh, but it's just like, yeah, yeah. 178 00:08:51.419 --> 00:08:55.259 She's seen the modern undead equivalent episode of Professor X 179 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:56.399 That's what it is. 180 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.259 Or the omnibus edition of Morden Undead, all edited together as a 181 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:01.620 movie. 182 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:05.460 Yeah, it could definitely be it. 183 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.720 I would like to say, though, about Belinda. 184 00:09:09.779 --> 00:09:13.679 If I had a dollar for every time Russell T. Davies had a blonde 185 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.460 companion, uh, with whom the doctor had facilitated the meeting of 186 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:22.559 an absent parent, uh, who then leads to be with her family, then 187 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.700 replaced by a companion who is a woman of colour, who works in a 188 00:09:26.700 --> 00:09:27.240 hospital. 189 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:31.799 But I'd only have $2, which isn't much, but it's weird that you've 190 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.120 done it twice, RTD. 191 00:09:34.139 --> 00:09:35.519 Yeah. 192 00:09:35.580 --> 00:09:38.340 It's funny that we just get a mention of her parents. 193 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.179 And in fact, what I thought was interesting is that she is a 194 00:09:42.179 --> 00:09:46.200 professional who is in her early 30s, but she can't afford a house 195 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.820 and so she's living in horrible share accommodation, with 2 people 196 00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:54.539 who don't even really know what her name is, like, and that's kind 197 00:09:54.539 --> 00:09:59.279 of miserable, and it's a little bit of a kind of the moffetization 198 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.100 of RTD too. 199 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.620 There's a lot of Moffat in this story. 200 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:09.480 And I think having 2 companions in a row who are mystery, you know 201 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.539 another companion who, you know, the doctors travelled through her 202 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:14.759 time stream instead of the other way around. 203 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:19.740 Um, uh, the big thing happening on the date of broadcast of the 204 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:23.879 final episode of the series like we had in season five. 205 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:27.659 Oh, I think it's actually on the on the date of the 2nd last 206 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:28.019 episode. 207 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.820 That's possible too. 208 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.059 Yeah. 209 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.779 But all of that is kind of fun and I'll be interested to see where 210 00:10:33.779 --> 00:10:34.139 that goes. 211 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:40.559 Let's talk about the, um, the setting, which is the planet Miss 212 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.299 Belinda Chandra one, uh, with the, what are they, the Miss Belinda 213 00:10:45.299 --> 00:10:47.159 Chandra kind? 214 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:51.000 My favourite thing is where the robots are dropping Miss Belinda 215 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:52.080 Chandra bombs. 216 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:54.419 I think it's just that's so dark. 217 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.220 That's so brutal. 218 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.580 It's very Douglas Adams as well. 219 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:07.080 Yeah, this whole thing reminded me of um, those scenes in, Is it 220 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.840 um so long and thanks for all the fish? 221 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.759 Or is it mostly harmless? 222 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:18.299 Um, where, where the droids are attacking the hitchhiker's offices 223 00:11:18.299 --> 00:11:24.120 and they keep sending like upgraded versions of the same robot to 224 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:24.840 attack it. 225 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:30.600 And Ford keeps running rings around them because he's cleverer 226 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.080 than they are. 227 00:11:31.139 --> 00:11:33.179 It really, it felt like that. 228 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:34.440 It was just not a bad thing. 229 00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:35.519 No, no, no. 230 00:11:35.580 --> 00:11:39.000 And, you know, Moffat has been someone who's who's heavily drawn 231 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:40.139 on Douglas Adams. 232 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:44.940 And just having that very idea where you have, you know, those 233 00:11:44.940 --> 00:11:47.940 stupid things where you can buy someone a star and just having the 234 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:50.460 star find out about it and coming to get you. 235 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:51.480 Like, that's genius. 236 00:11:51.539 --> 00:11:52.740 That's absolutely brilliant. 237 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:57.600 So apparently Russell thought of that, um, many years ago, and put 238 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:02.820 it in his box of ideas, I might bring out one day and then he had 239 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:05.879 the chance to do it for the season open, and it makes her, it 240 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:10.620 makes a fun, um, easy, easy entry and into the series and shows 241 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:12.779 her what the show can do in that setting. 242 00:12:12.899 --> 00:12:15.059 What did you think of the setting, Tom? 243 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.100 I really enjoyed it. 244 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:20.580 Like, as I said, I felt it had a Flash Gordon type of feel. 245 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.600 That cue, that green hue in the control room with the sort of reds 246 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:29.580 in the background, and then the green in the underground, um, and 247 00:12:29.580 --> 00:12:32.639 and it was her tending to the injured in the underground, while 248 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.620 the bombardment happens, that sort of reminded me of the 249 00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:39.059 Armageddon factor, when the princess is down there tending to the 250 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:42.120 people, you know, who were, who were injured, and, and I kind of 251 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.820 thought, 0 my god, there's like, there's a romance at the 252 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:47.639 beginning, the princess and the queen is sort of connected to 253 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:48.120 time. 254 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:50.340 There could be the black and white guardian involved. 255 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.000 You know, there's there's a robot AI controlling the wall, but 256 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.419 actually there's a man, you know, a mask behind that, you know, and 257 00:12:57.419 --> 00:13:00.120 another robot comes to save the day, and there's, and then 258 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.600 somewhere else there's something between 2 plants we can't get to 259 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.559 and and then Manny has a big gun, and Drax has a big gun, and I 260 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.860 just thought, well, it's, it's the Armageddon. 261 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.059 Is the Armageddon factor. 262 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.240 It is the Armageddon. 263 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:18.539 But, you know, there were things that I just kind of drew on that 264 00:13:18.539 --> 00:13:22.080 you know, was, but I really, I love the robots. 265 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:25.440 I like them being like a mix between smile and dinosaurs on a 266 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:29.279 spaceship and, you know, the husbands of River song robots and and 267 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:34.259 little polish polish and, and, um, yeah, I just, I just really 268 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:35.340 enjoyed all of that. 269 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:38.399 And the music, the music was quite, I thought epic. 270 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:40.200 It reminded me of Star Wars or something. 271 00:13:40.259 --> 00:13:44.279 I really felt like this was an epic adventure that had been edited 272 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.460 down because we didn't get to see to doctors, you know, 6 months 273 00:13:47.460 --> 00:13:52.320 on the planet or really how they got back to the AI, you know? 274 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:53.519 Yeah. 275 00:13:53.580 --> 00:13:53.940 Yeah. 276 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:54.480 Yeah. 277 00:13:54.539 --> 00:13:58.080 I mean, I just thought, you know, that sort of retrofuturist kind 278 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.980 of look, you know, where everything kind of looks like a 1950s 279 00:14:01.980 --> 00:14:05.460 American car, particularly the little polish polish robot. 280 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.539 Um, and like when the the rocket ship, you know, like when the 281 00:14:09.539 --> 00:14:13.200 spaceship that lands in her back garden is just a massive rocket 282 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.720 ship with huge curved fins and stuff. 283 00:14:15.779 --> 00:14:17.519 That's fantastic, you know. 284 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:19.019 That's Splash Gordon. 285 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.519 And that, I thought it was meat the beans. 286 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:22.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 287 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.639 Yeah, definitely we've had some of those design elements in, you 288 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.440 know, perhaps the other straightforward science fiction story of 289 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.139 this entire era, which is the Starbeast. 290 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:38.580 Yeah, yeah, I just thought, I thought that that was really great. 291 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.600 And I thought what was really good about it too was that it was 292 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:43.440 comic. 293 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:47.279 You know, there's that moment where Belinda says, why is 294 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.440 everything on this planet so stupid? 295 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.620 It's comic, but, you know, people die. 296 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.299 Like the doctor suffers a loss. 297 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:58.980 You know, people are scared. 298 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.440 Um, you know, like it's it's a proper thing. 299 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:05.519 The government are bombing populated areas, like all of that sort 300 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.600 of thing is happening. 301 00:15:06.659 --> 00:15:10.200 And so it is properly dark, but there's that just sort of fun 302 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.480 Toyota kind of veneer to it. 303 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:13.980 What did you think, Brendan? 304 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.860 Yeah, I thought the setting was beautifully realised. 305 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.600 It does have all those Flash Gordon, John Carter, Egarice Burrows 306 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.500 and the interpretations of those kind of texts. 307 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.919 The rocket ship also reminded me of Tin tins rocket ship, but in 308 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.120 yellow rather than red. 309 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:33.360 And on story linkages. 310 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:36.840 I had not seen the connections to Armageddon Factor, and I love 311 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.240 that because I have a huge soft spot for the Armageddon Factor. 312 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:43.679 But listeners may remember that last series I made connections 313 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.840 between last year's run and the original season one of Doctor 314 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.200 Who. 315 00:15:49.259 --> 00:15:53.639 And I didn't think I had much to connect this to Planet of Giants 316 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:57.059 except, of course, the TARDIS not working and the doctor opening 317 00:15:57.059 --> 00:15:59.580 the doors in space has happens at the end. 318 00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:04.320 We have miniaturisation because Alan goes microscopic. 319 00:16:04.379 --> 00:16:08.460 And I'm really sorry to fling a dead cat on the table. they both 320 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:09.299 have a dead cat. 321 00:16:10.019 --> 00:16:13.679 You couldn't really fling that dead cat on the table. 322 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:15.840 It did get disintegrated on the doormat. 323 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:19.379 Those disintegration effects are very comic book. 324 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.279 Like I just felt that they were like just the sort of the outline 325 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:24.539 and all that, that thing. 326 00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:28.799 And, you know, I'm a statistic person and I was mortified by the 327 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.039 dead cat, but also quite sort of thrilled that the master killed a 328 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:32.279 dog. 329 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:34.740 So, you know, here we go, dead cat. whatever. 330 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.299 It's actually perfectly handled, I think, the joke, the joke with 331 00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:40.740 that of you, you shot the cat. 332 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.840 The cat is irrelevant. 333 00:16:42.899 --> 00:16:43.799 It wasn't my cat. 334 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:45.419 The cat is still irrelevant. 335 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.399 I think that we're going back to the era of the original the 336 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:55.440 original RTD era where each alien had a particular way of killing 337 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.019 people and a particular special effect that went with it. 338 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.659 And you remember the sicker acts where they have those whips that 339 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:03.000 turn people into sort of skeletons and stuff. 340 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:06.539 And here, like, it's a science fiction thing, so you don't have 341 00:17:06.539 --> 00:17:08.519 dead bodies or gore or anything like that. 342 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:12.480 It is comic book, but it's also a little bit graphic because you 343 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:13.859 get skeletons, you know. 344 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.660 And so... 345 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 346 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:21.599 And we get slow motion, obviously, on Sasha 55's death. as well to 347 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.160 make it a bit more harrowing. 348 00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:27.779 I thought that death was so well handled too, because you finally 349 00:17:27.779 --> 00:17:33.359 got a doctor who, you know, expresses that grief, and then shakes 350 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.900 it off and moves on, you know, but properly expresses it. 351 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:39.359 It's not just, I'm sorry, and we quickly get on with it. 352 00:17:39.420 --> 00:17:41.400 He feels it and then gets on with it. 353 00:17:41.460 --> 00:17:42.539 I thought that was pretty good. 354 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.579 I'm going to disagree. 355 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.880 That for me was a point in the episode where she said that she 356 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.460 wanted to go, you know, into space or trusted him with the life 357 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:53.220 and I thought, oh, God, you're dead in 2 minutes. 358 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:53.700 That's right. 359 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:57.779 And then and then I just waited for, oh, let's give me give me the 360 00:17:57.779 --> 00:18:00.299 single tear. and he gave me the single tear and I just said going 361 00:18:00.299 --> 00:18:01.200 I'm over you crying. 362 00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:03.779 I would have preferred that tear at the end, perhaps, you know 363 00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:07.259 when they talked about what they were naming the citadel, but that 364 00:18:07.259 --> 00:18:09.779 was almost the low point in this episode for me. 365 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.380 No, that landed for me, I think, because it, you know, it made 366 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:16.019 something that shooty does quite a lot actually kind of mean 367 00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:18.480 something more than perhaps it normally does. 368 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.319 And it needed to sell that, I think, because we didn't get to see 369 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:23.640 them interact, really. 370 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.700 That was my problem, was that we didn't get the 6 months and then 371 00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:30.059 building a relationship and I just kind of went, why, whatever. 372 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:34.440 Yeah, I mean, I actually, I, I, I think we're carrying on front 373 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:35.940 top, but I agree with Nathan. 374 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:41.819 Like that has weight because it's about somebody that we don't 375 00:18:41.819 --> 00:18:42.180 know. 376 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.480 It sells the fact that they were friends that had worked together 377 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.880 for 6 months because you don't have time to show that. 378 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.720 Whereas, yes, quite often he just does start crying. 379 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:53.460 Like, oh, Ruby, I love you. 380 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.140 I've known you for 3 episodes but it's fine. 381 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.339 Like, I don't have a problem with them crying, but often I think 382 00:18:59.339 --> 00:19:01.680 it's just, you know, let's, he's great at crying. 383 00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:03.119 Let's wheel out his tear ducts. 384 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:06.059 We call it the Sanequa Martin Green effect. 385 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.200 Because I actually felt something at the end when they called the 386 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.900 citadel after her and I actually got an emotion there and I 387 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:16.019 thought, well, you've actually, you've sold that to me, like it 388 00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:16.619 has affected me. 389 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.160 She's really good in that one scene with Belinda too, isn't she? 390 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:21.480 Oh, yeah, she's very good. 391 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:26.160 See, I think how it might have worked better for me is to not have 392 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.920 that line of, you know, then you promise to take me to the stars 393 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:32.640 because as you say, Todd, that tells us that she's dead in 2 394 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:32.880 minutes. 395 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:34.859 Well, that's where I was there, though, isn't it? 396 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:37.740 But then you're not shocked, right? 397 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:39.480 You can see they've been close. 398 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:41.819 The doctor's been giving her nods and whatnot. 399 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.299 And then if you get the doctor's reaction, you suddenly go, why 400 00:19:45.299 --> 00:19:46.859 hasn't it reacted that way to anyone else? 401 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.640 And then he tells Belinda about them in the bunker. 402 00:19:50.700 --> 00:19:53.339 But then I also have to remember that this is not just being 403 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:55.200 written for adults. 404 00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:59.640 This is being written for 12 year olds, who may not immediately 405 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.180 guess that she's, you know, that she's going to be dead in a 406 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:03.480 minute. 407 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:06.900 And that's that's always the difficulty with Doctor Who, isn't 408 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:07.019 it? 409 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:08.519 That it has to write to all levels. 410 00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:12.779 So we who've been watching it for 35 plus years go, that's the 411 00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:13.319 trope. 412 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:14.759 We know that's the throne. 413 00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:17.759 Yes, but you don't want to spoil it for the 12 year old. 414 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.980 We had to be given the opportunity to learn that that's what that 415 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:20.220 means. 416 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.619 And a whole generation of kids get it. 417 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:26.640 Thank you, Brendan, for reminding me like I'm an old my god, that 418 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.579 which doesn't think of small children at these times. 419 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:30.960 Yes. 420 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:35.099 We, we, um, we killed Matthew Waterhouse, so, uh, so you could 421 00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:35.519 run. 422 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:37.980 All right, well, let's move on. 423 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:43.440 We should talk about Al, the generative owl, or whatever he is. 424 00:20:44.579 --> 00:20:50.400 How did we think that confrontation and that character worked? 425 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:52.740 Todd. 426 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:55.740 Why are you asking me? 427 00:20:57.180 --> 00:21:01.559 I thought it did work well and it tied obviously everything into 428 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.079 the whole time. plot. 429 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:07.680 Um, and I thought the look of him was actually quite creepy 430 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:08.039 really. 431 00:21:08.099 --> 00:21:11.519 And it tied it, like I said, it tied it all back into the 432 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:16.500 beginning scene and what he actually was like as a boyfriend, which 433 00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:18.180 wasn't very good, really. 434 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.039 So I bought it. 435 00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:23.819 And, you know, obviously when they revealed the AI and they took 436 00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:27.599 down the thing and it set out, I thought, okay, he did it in plain 437 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:27.960 sight. 438 00:21:28.019 --> 00:21:30.299 Al bought it too. 439 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:36.119 Um, It does a similar thing in a more subtle and singular way that 440 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:41.160 Dotson bubble did last year, which is you can already see that 441 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.839 he's a bit of a misogynist in his very 1st scene. 442 00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:49.619 There's lines in there about girls are not great at maths. 443 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.759 You know, are you married, which, you know, the whole thing hinges 444 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:54.059 on. 445 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:58.259 And then they have flashbacks which just really sort of drive that 446 00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:02.880 home when, when she sort of says, oh, yeah, no, you, you were a 447 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.579 terrible controlling bust, basically. 448 00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:08.519 And, and, and so I, I really enjoyed that. 449 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:12.180 Like, he was kind of mixing the Doctor Who doing social commentary 450 00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:15.660 as allegory with Doctor Who doing social commentary as social 451 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:16.500 commentary. 452 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.960 Like, he was, he was controlling. 453 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.779 And now he's doing it to an entire planet. 454 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.720 He's been responsible for the deaths of, you know, 1000000s of 455 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:24.960 people. 456 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.359 Yeah, what was it? 457 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.079 What's the line? 458 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.500 You took coercive control and took control of the entire planet? 459 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.700 Something like that? 460 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.480 Yeah, I mean, I think it's impossible to see sort of populated 461 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.400 areas being bombed and think about the kind of people who 462 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.079 generally support that. 463 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:47.640 And, you know, you end up thinking there is a line between sort of 464 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:54.539 misogyny and, and, you know, perhaps in some of its aspects, gaming 465 00:22:54.539 --> 00:23:00.420 and computer stuff and politics, and, you know, none of those 466 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:03.599 things are really drawn or fleshed out, but it's not really the 467 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.079 focus of the episode, but it's certainly, it's striking, I think 468 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.799 that we take, like, something that looks like just awkward and 469 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:15.480 horrific kind of teenage dating. and then draw a line from that to 470 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.299 kind of carpet bombing populated areas. 471 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.079 Planet of the in cells, I guess, is what she says. 472 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:23.220 Yes, yeah. 473 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:27.299 This was actually the scene that I... 474 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:31.799 Kind of didn't like the 1st time around and it's got nothing to do 475 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:32.339 with the content. 476 00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:34.380 It was actually to do with the direction. 477 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:41.519 And I'm just like, So why is Alan just kind of sitting there while 478 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.420 the polishing robot comes up with the thing that can destroy him. 479 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.700 Uh, why is that happening? 480 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:53.039 But then, watching it the 2nd time, help me save me pain. 481 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:54.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 482 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:58.920 There, there, every ninth word, he knows what is happening to him 483 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.180 and it is there. 484 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:05.099 And I think it's left ambiguous and I think it's deliberate that 485 00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:07.500 part of him wants this to end. 486 00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:10.619 Part of him knows what he's done. 487 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:17.819 You know, and he's he's had 10 years to reflect on his behaviour. 488 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:25.500 And so there's an ambiguous possibility there that he knows this 489 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:28.079 could kill him, but it will end what's happening. 490 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:33.119 And I like Russell doing that sort of ambiguity. 491 00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:37.259 It's a bit like the ambiguity of Margaret Slovine back in Boomtown 492 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.539 when she looks into the heart of a TARDIS and looks up and says 493 00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:39.900 thank you. 494 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.480 Does she realise she's being given a 2nd chance? 495 00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:43.740 You know? 496 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.579 Um, I wouldn't exactly say, you know, the character doesn't 497 00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:52.079 deserve redemption, but there's a reading of potential redemption 498 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.880 there while also acknowledging this guy's been a bastard and a 499 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.460 dictator and needs to be stopped. 500 00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:02.279 He's given a 2nd chance. 501 00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:08.460 He becomes an egg and a sperm, like in a similar way. and then 502 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:09.720 gets vacuumed up. 503 00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:14.279 It's kind of, it's both giving him release, but also inaugulation 504 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:15.119 can get away with it. 505 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.619 Yeah. 506 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:22.559 And the, the sort of Blinovich limitation, inferno dimension warp 507 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.059 business that goes on. 508 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:25.079 It's fantastic. 509 00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:26.759 It is, it is. 510 00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:27.299 It is. 511 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.640 You know, it's it's indistinct. 512 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:31.440 We don't know exactly what's happening. 513 00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:36.240 We don't know how it feels for them to go through it. really like 514 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:36.720 that bit. 515 00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:40.980 The doctor's reaction was also something I had a bit of a problem 516 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:41.220 with. 517 00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:45.960 It's like, okay, so the doctor watches Helen A, for instance, cry 518 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.000 over the dead Fifi, and is moved and doesn't gloat. 519 00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:55.859 The doctor sees a sperm and an egg, gets sucked up by a vacuum 520 00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:58.980 cleaner, and does a high kick and a little dance, and I'm just 521 00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:03.900 like, uh, but then, this doctor is starting to display signs of 522 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:07.920 arrogance and that he knows best, and it's like, okay, taken as a 523 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.920 whole, he can also shut down a power in a whole hospital. 524 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:12.359 Good luck if you're on life support, kids. 525 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:14.700 They have generators. 526 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:15.119 It fine. 527 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:15.900 Yeah, yeah. 528 00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:16.799 I know, I know. 529 00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:17.519 But that's the thing. 530 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:22.680 I'm glad I watched it a 2nd time to kind of take the take the 531 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.259 piece as a whole because sometimes that can be hard to do when 532 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:26.339 you're watching it for the 1st time. 533 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:31.380 All right, let's just go around the table and talk about how we 534 00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.900 found the end of the episode. 535 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.500 A lot of chatting the TARDIS and then off to new adventures. 536 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:45.420 I have to say that I'm a little bit anxious about how much there 537 00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:50.279 now is to resolve. and I wasn't someone, again, who thought that 538 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:54.240 the finale last year did a bad job of resolving what it needed to 539 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.539 resolve, and I was sort of fairly happy with how things came out 540 00:26:57.539 --> 00:27:01.920 but there's just a lot of balls in the air at this and it did 541 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.279 there was a lot of talking in the TARDIS, in a kind of series 6 542 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:11.579 kind of way. and I just was kind of wondering how that will go. 543 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.240 But I am excited to see what's coming up, I have to say. 544 00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:18.720 Todd, how are you feeling at this point of the season? 545 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:24.779 Well, Nathan, I, um, wasn't exactly thrilled with the resolution 546 00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:30.660 of last year, unlike you, and I do feel that often, Russell 547 00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:33.900 struggles to resolve things in a satisfactory way, and I am 548 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.440 concerned about so many questions that need answering. 549 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.880 But I'm intrigued and I'm on for the ride. 550 00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:43.680 So, you know, he's doing something right. 551 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.319 And, you know, even if they don't resolve what's happening, you 552 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.119 know, with Earth and not getting back. 553 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:52.680 As long as I find out who Mrs. Flood is, that's all that matters. 554 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.500 You never saw me. 555 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:57.660 So cute. 556 00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:59.220 Brandon, what do you think? 557 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.420 So I'm thinking about the fact that the 1st scene was 17 years 558 00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:03.660 ago. 559 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:09.119 I am thinking about the fact that Matt puts it in 2008. 560 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:16.079 I am thinking about the fact that Ruby Sunday would have been 4 561 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.339 around that time. 562 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.700 And that's the thing. 563 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:26.940 I'm wondering if there is some connection between Ruby and Belinda 564 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:30.240 that we're just not aware of yet. 565 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:34.740 And I have some ideas on that, but I'm going to keep my power dry 566 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:38.160 because if I, if I'm right, I don't want to spoil, I don't want to 567 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:38.940 spoil things for anyone. 568 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.880 Well, so far, the only connection I can see is they have the same 569 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:42.660 next door neighbour. 570 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.740 Yes, yeah. 571 00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:45.359 They're living in the same street. 572 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:51.420 I'd really like, given that it's an episode set in 2007 later in 573 00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:51.839 the season. 574 00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:56.400 The person who inspired Belinda to become a nurse, to be Moth 575 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.720 Jones, a young, a young doctor. 576 00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:01.619 Yes. 577 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.640 Not the joke. 578 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:06.000 Well, you know, like, I mean, you wouldn't really need to, like 579 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.579 Freeman is still gorgeous. 580 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.339 But yeah, that's my 2 cents with. 581 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.839 Bring back Martha Jones. 582 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.240 Well, all right. 583 00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:16.920 I think we might wind up there. 584 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:21.240 We're obviously going to be back next week and every week for the 585 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:22.619 next 7 weeks. 586 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.819 In fact, to follow season 2 to its conclusion. 587 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.579 But I've got one or 2 things to plug. 588 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:35.220 Um, 500-year diary series 2, uh, the 2nd series, which is called 589 00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:39.839 the 2nd coming, arrives on the 27th of April with our episode on 590 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.059 the Dalek invasion of Earth. 591 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.059 And we're going to be looking at the 2nd time a Montreal villain 592 00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:46.619 appears in Doctor Who. 593 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:51.599 You can keep up with us on flightthroughentirety.com on Blue Sky 594 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.559 or on FTE podcast on Mastodon, or I think we're still on Twitter 595 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:55.980 probably. 596 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.660 And of course, I'm watching Star Trek more or less weekly with my 597 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:04.559 friend Joe Ford in Untitled Star Trek project. 598 00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:07.500 Brendan, do you want to plug something? 599 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:13.559 The most recent episode of the three-handed game is appropriately 600 00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.380 enough on the episode game. 601 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:18.539 Meanwhile, over on maximum power. 602 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.380 We are far ahead of games, so it can't hurt you anymore, Nathan. 603 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:28.319 But we have we have recently published our series D retrospective 604 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.980 which is almost 3 hours long and nearly killed me. 605 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.079 Yes, well done, Brendan. 606 00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:34.619 Well done. 607 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.420 Excellent work. 608 00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:38.220 All right. 609 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.359 In that case, all the remains is for me to say, until next time 610 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.740 remember that Miss Belle Chandra is an anagram of Chambers 611 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:47.339 Island. 612 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.259 You heard it here first. 613 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.660 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 614 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.920 Good night. 615 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:54.119 Ta-ta. 616 00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:55.019 See you soon. 617 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:57.660 And could I just ask? 618 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.599 Could he really not see the Eiffel Tower coming towards the 619 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.140 Tartars? 620 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.460 It wasn't that far away.