WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:30:00 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.120 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to the 2nd great and 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:07.019 bountiful Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast that's in 3 00:00:07.019 --> 00:00:09.720 your TARDIS time control, killing your dudes. 4 00:00:09.779 --> 00:00:11.580 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:12.660 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:12.779 --> 00:00:13.800 I'm Simon. 7 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:15.660 And I'm Todd. 8 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:20.760 So we are here to talk about Empire of Death, which we saw mere 9 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:26.339 days ago, the finale to season one of this new version of Doctor 10 00:00:26.339 --> 00:00:30.300 Who, written by Russell T. Davis, as usual, and directed by Jamie 11 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:34.020 Donahue, who did last week's episode as well. 12 00:00:34.020 --> 00:00:39.899 Let's start by just giving a kind of general feeling about how we 13 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:40.920 uh, sorry. 14 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:44.579 Let's just start by giving a sort of general idea of how we felt 15 00:00:44.579 --> 00:00:46.079 about the episode. 16 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:50.340 Simon, you're on record, I think, as saying that RTD series 17 00:00:50.340 --> 00:00:53.820 finales aren't quite your favourite thing. 18 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:54.780 They tend not to be. 19 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:56.039 How did you feel about this one? 20 00:00:56.100 --> 00:00:57.899 Look, I enjoyed it. 21 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:04.079 I probably put it 2nd behind Bad Wolf Parting of the Ways, which 22 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.359 is the only one that I rate in any serious way. 23 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:08.459 I actually found myself enjoying it. 24 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:09.840 Yes, there are some strange problems. 25 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:13.079 Usually, though, a good sign is when you only think about those 26 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.659 problems after you've watched it rather than while you're watching 27 00:01:15.659 --> 00:01:18.120 it, and I'm sure we might pick up on some of those later. 28 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:20.219 But no, look, I think I think it was, it was fine. 29 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.700 I think it actually fulfilled the promise of the previous 30 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:24.299 episode. 31 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.540 Usually the problem with the 2nd episode is that it disappoints 32 00:01:27.540 --> 00:01:32.640 what's being promised in episode one, which is actually not the 33 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:33.959 problem with the classic series. 34 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.040 I will acknowledge. 35 00:01:35.099 --> 00:01:37.500 But in this case, I actually think it's fulfilled that. 36 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.920 Yes, it wasn't there are silly things with it, but I thought it 37 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:41.159 was great. 38 00:01:41.219 --> 00:01:42.239 I thought everyone was great in it. 39 00:01:42.299 --> 00:01:45.420 I thought it was probably shooting's best performance of the 40 00:01:45.420 --> 00:01:48.840 season, and Bonnie, I mean, Bonnie. 41 00:01:48.900 --> 00:01:53.219 I mean, she, she, she, she, she is actually the best person in it 42 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:55.260 by a significant mile. 43 00:01:55.260 --> 00:01:57.120 Um, and I include shooting in that. 44 00:01:57.180 --> 00:02:00.359 She is just better than axe rings around the rest of them, I have 45 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:00.599 to say. 46 00:02:00.659 --> 00:02:02.219 What did you think, Todd? 47 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:04.319 I agree. 48 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.159 I thought it was charming. 49 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.759 Bonnie Langford was just phenomenal. 50 00:02:11.819 --> 00:02:15.000 Absolutely, absolutely stole the show. 51 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:19.680 It's funny, I think we mentioned last week that she was in DWM 52 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.639 saying that she hadn't been very good in the show that she feared 53 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.719 that she wasn't very good or maybe a couple of weeks ago, but she 54 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:32.460 is so experienced, you know, and just so good as a result. 55 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:37.259 And in fact, her kind of falling asleep on board the TARDIS, as if 56 00:02:37.259 --> 00:02:40.620 her energy's being sapped from her, is actually a little bit 57 00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:41.520 difficult to watch. 58 00:02:41.580 --> 00:02:42.840 It's really quite sad. 59 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.800 Or the moment where she sees, you know, Colin's jacket. 60 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:47.340 Yes. 61 00:02:47.340 --> 00:02:48.719 Oh, just touching. 62 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:51.960 The look on her face when she's touching the... sleeve is just 63 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.099 lovely. 64 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:56.280 The whole episode is worth, the whole double is worth it for her 65 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:56.879 alone for me. 66 00:02:56.939 --> 00:02:57.900 Yeah, yeah. 67 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.939 Well, the whole revival, I think. 68 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.800 What did you think, Fred? 69 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:10.439 Um, I've said that this season I felt like every episode has 70 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.379 bettered the previous one. and we started out in a strong place 71 00:03:13.379 --> 00:03:13.800 anyway. 72 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.439 This is where it falls down. 73 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:18.120 Not entirely. 74 00:03:18.180 --> 00:03:19.740 It's not a disaster. 75 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:25.080 Um, but I was idly thinking today and I ranked the Russell T 76 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.080 Davies season enders and I'm like, okay. 77 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:28.860 Yes, I saw that. 78 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:29.580 Yeah. 79 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.500 So it's like Bad Wolf Parting of the Ways, Journey's End, and last 80 00:03:34.500 --> 00:03:36.780 of the time, Lords, I consider them all to be 10 out of 10. 81 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:41.520 Um, Army of Ghost Doomsday are considered to be 9 out of 10. 82 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:45.719 This and the giggle, I consider a 7 out of 10. 83 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:46.740 So they're still solid. 84 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:48.419 They're still solid. 85 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:50.699 And then you've got the end of time. 86 00:03:51.539 --> 00:03:53.819 Daylight, the end of time. 87 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:55.020 I'm in shock, Frank. 88 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.199 I'm in shock Not what I expected from you. 89 00:03:58.259 --> 00:03:58.979 Yeah. 90 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.879 Now, look, I completely agree with what's been said so far. 91 00:04:02.939 --> 00:04:04.319 I think Bonnie is excellent. 92 00:04:04.379 --> 00:04:05.520 I think shoot he's amazing. 93 00:04:05.580 --> 00:04:09.240 I think the cliffhanger resolve of, oh, what if we just pull the 94 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.740 doctor out of the way of the slow moving agent of Soutek? 95 00:04:13.740 --> 00:04:16.139 is it made me laugh in the moment. 96 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.220 It's just like a proper 80s cliffhanger resolution, isn't it? 97 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:21.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 98 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.420 We did call that a proper 80s cliffhanger is wait. 99 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.779 We did it in flux as well, I think, didn't we? 100 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.779 Where we just moved quickly away from swarm at one point. 101 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:37.259 Yeah, and look, I think most of my problems with it are sort of 102 00:04:37.259 --> 00:04:41.040 around explanations for why things are happening in the plot just 103 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.759 seem to be, and it's this now, and because this is how this 104 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:45.060 works. 105 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.060 And I just feel like some of those more fantastical explanations 106 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:51.060 we've had since Russell came back have been better handled in the 107 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:54.600 past, like where gods come from and how magic works and da da da 108 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:54.839 da. 109 00:04:54.899 --> 00:05:00.060 I don't know if some lines were cut out or if it was something 110 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:02.699 with the direction and the vision made things clearer. 111 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.120 That being said, I still very much enjoyed it. 112 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:10.319 I don't think it's a bad or weak episode by any means. 113 00:05:10.379 --> 00:05:13.800 It's just what has come before, including last week was so good 114 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:21.540 that this needed to be more explicit, in my opinion, in what it 115 00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:22.139 was trying to do. 116 00:05:22.259 --> 00:05:26.220 I did think there were some important moments of explanation that 117 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:28.500 were actually fudged by the director. 118 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:33.360 And in particular, I think, uh, maybe the, the reveal where Louise 119 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.379 points to the, the lamp post and we discover it's a thing. 120 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:38.639 I think that's actually badly done. 121 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:43.139 I think I think that's that or whole thing and this is probably 122 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:46.500 about the season rather than the episode, but I find that a bit 123 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:50.160 trite. this mysterious figure pointing in a very kind of Gothic 124 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:50.459 way. 125 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.759 It's all, and then for it to just reveal that she's just a normal 126 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.759 person, basically, and ends now a nurse, I think that's, that's 127 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:57.600 probably the weakest thing. 128 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:59.639 But because it didn't, it's not what the episode was about. 129 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:00.779 That didn't bother me too much. 130 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.720 See, in a way, I think it is what the episode's about, and I liked 131 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.720 it for that reason, that it wasn't, you know, a science fiction 132 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.660 thing, and it wasn't quite the Gothic thing that we imagined it 133 00:06:09.660 --> 00:06:10.139 was going to be. 134 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:14.220 We had the rug pulled out from under us last week with the, it was 135 00:06:14.220 --> 00:06:15.120 2004. 136 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.339 It wasn't Charles Dickens, you know. 137 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:23.160 And so having that very strange fairy tale thing and then just 138 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.519 learning that in fact it was just a frightened girl abandoning her 139 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:32.040 baby, you know, like I did actually like that outcome, it meant 140 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:36.300 that we don't have a space reasons thing about Ruby's origin. 141 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:37.139 She's just a person. 142 00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:39.959 I don't mind that at all. 143 00:06:40.019 --> 00:06:42.660 It's just that, like, here's this mysterious hooded figure, and 144 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:46.019 she's pointing in an ominous way, and then in other episodes 145 00:06:46.019 --> 00:06:49.560 Maestro's saying that there's something wrong with Ruby and her 146 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:55.259 song, and I just kind of think that it just doesn't quite, 2 and 2 147 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:56.579 don't make four. you know what I mean? 148 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.519 Like, I just think that's how I feel about that. 149 00:06:59.579 --> 00:07:03.060 But I don't necessarily loathe it. 150 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.240 I just think that it wasn't the best, you know? 151 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.360 Yeah, it's not the fact that she's a normal person. the fact that 152 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.240 it's all the setup with all the the pointing in the robes and 153 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:12.779 everything like that. 154 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.680 It's just like, unless there's something next season, you know? 155 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:17.639 Exactly. 156 00:07:17.699 --> 00:07:19.740 And that's maybe what the maestro thing was. 157 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.259 It's supposed to be referring to that, but, you know, Yeah. 158 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.199 And look, you know, Russell knew when he started writing this 159 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:27.720 season that the next season had been commissioned. 160 00:07:27.779 --> 00:07:28.500 Right. 161 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.240 So, yeah, he has made some comments in recent weeks that 162 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:38.100 storylines continue next season and he's now working on season 3 163 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:41.399 which has not been officially commissioned, but he is working on 164 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:41.519 it. 165 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:45.959 Hence, the woman in Mary Tam's outfit from the rebus operation, who 166 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.139 was previously wearing Clara's outfit from Face the Raven. 167 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:54.959 I think she's fabulous and I thought that ending was magnificent. 168 00:07:55.019 --> 00:07:56.220 Just absolutely. 169 00:07:56.459 --> 00:07:58.379 I was actually really happy that she had nothing to do with C tech 170 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:00.120 and nothing to do with it. because that was the assumption in the 171 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.699 previous episode. and I think that that was, that was, that was 172 00:08:02.699 --> 00:08:02.939 pretty good. 173 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:04.680 And she sounds really terrifying. 174 00:08:04.740 --> 00:08:06.540 She's going to go and kill God. 175 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.779 I just think she's wonderful. 176 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:11.100 Like, you know, all of her little lines. 177 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:15.959 I had such plans for a boy and then, you know, yeah, just, yeah 178 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.120 yeah. in what was it? 179 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:18.899 absolute terror. 180 00:08:19.139 --> 00:08:21.480 It was just delicious. 181 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:23.459 Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. 182 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:24.600 Like, I've been saying all along. 183 00:08:24.660 --> 00:08:27.540 I think she's river song, but now with some comments Russell has 184 00:08:27.540 --> 00:08:29.759 made this week where Russell's like, no, I deliberately put in red 185 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:31.680 herrings, because I know fans are going to talk about them. 186 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:36.960 Um, it's like, okay, her name is based on water, she's wearing 187 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:38.460 Romana's coat. 188 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.320 She's got a parasol on a roof. 189 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:43.379 She's got a suitcase that I thought said trends of law, but it 190 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:44.399 actually says Penzance. 191 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:48.779 So it's like where it's being hinted that she is Romana River song 192 00:08:48.779 --> 00:08:49.980 at Clara. 193 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:50.580 She none of them. 194 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.700 Oh, there was a hint she was Susan last week, too, remember? 195 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.740 And yeah, and she was Susan, of course. 196 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:55.980 Yes. 197 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.679 Yeah, but yeah, I've now decided she's none of them. 198 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:01.559 No, she's Chancellor Flavia. 199 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:06.600 Well, you know Russell loves Chancellor Flavia, so that's entirely 200 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:07.200 a possibility. 201 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:17.159 You know, I just, I just loved, like, I love the call back to 73 202 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.679 yards and I love the memory TARDIS. 203 00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:23.220 I loved that and all the little things to do with the past in 204 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:23.639 that. 205 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:27.419 You know, I just thought it was really beautiful, so much of it 206 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:27.840 you know? 207 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:31.740 Do we know if they built the memory Tartars for this and then 208 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:33.659 decided to do all of the tales from the Tartars? 209 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:34.259 Yeah, right. 210 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.179 So it was that way round rather than, yeah. 211 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.539 So yeah, we'll get to that in a minute because I think that that 212 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:41.460 plays an important role in the episode, obviously. 213 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.480 But let's just talk about how it begins because the cliffhanger is 214 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.820 resolved, but then things get worse. 215 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.639 And I think that that's the best kind of cliffhanger. 216 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:53.279 It's like, um, Greatest Show in the Galaxy 4. 217 00:09:53.580 --> 00:09:56.940 You know, there's a cliffhanger and then things just build and 218 00:09:56.940 --> 00:09:59.220 build and get worse and worse and worse. 219 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.759 And things have rarely been quite as bad as this, I think, in 220 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:03.360 Doctor Who. 221 00:10:03.419 --> 00:10:04.860 How did people feel about that sequence? 222 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.539 Todd. 223 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:11.279 One of the things I dislike is when you actually start killing off 224 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.480 everybody, because then you know there's a magical reset, and the 225 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.799 moment that rose and um, Kate and all of them turn to dust. 226 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:24.299 I just went, oh, so now we're going to have a reset button, right 227 00:10:24.299 --> 00:10:24.779 at the end. 228 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:26.820 So I was on the back foot. 229 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.620 I did not buy that death at all. 230 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.539 If it had just been Kate by herself or something like that, then 231 00:10:33.539 --> 00:10:35.100 maybe I would have thought, oh no. 232 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.500 But I went, oh, no. 233 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.720 Like, it's just going to be this reset. 234 00:10:39.779 --> 00:10:41.879 I'm just, how are they going to get out of this? 235 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:44.460 Is it going to be a crap explanation? 236 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.940 So I was on the back foot from that for a little while. 237 00:10:48.059 --> 00:10:50.940 I thought it was glorious that everybody came back, including 238 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:52.860 those poor men that were killed last week. 239 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:53.820 I just thought that was wonderful. 240 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:55.200 Everybody lives, yes. 241 00:10:55.259 --> 00:10:57.179 And including Susan Triad. 242 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:58.860 I think it was great that she ended up living too. 243 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.039 I thought the Vlinks was definitely for it. 244 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:04.860 When the blinks got killed, I thought, oh, that's like killing 245 00:11:04.860 --> 00:11:05.279 Adrick. 246 00:11:05.340 --> 00:11:05.940 No, it'll care. 247 00:11:06.659 --> 00:11:09.000 And then they killed everyone else. 248 00:11:09.059 --> 00:11:10.379 What did you think, Simon? 249 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.899 Well, I was going to say, I was... 250 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:16.139 I took a little bit longer to get to the thing, oh, it's just 251 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:17.879 great. have a great big reset button because I thought it was not 252 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:19.080 entirely impossible. 253 00:11:19.139 --> 00:11:22.320 He was using this as a way to kind of cleanse all of the all that 254 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.799 kind of unit team and go, okay, we're going to do something else 255 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:26.340 later. 256 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.320 But I thought, well, they're probably all coming back when they 257 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.480 all turned to dust, and I certainly thought that we were all 258 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.399 coming back as soon as it started to spread around the globe. 259 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:36.059 I mean, it is very impressive, very frightening, especially it's 260 00:11:36.059 --> 00:11:36.419 not just the earth. 261 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.419 It's everywhere the doctor has visited in the last, you know, since 262 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:40.379 Pyramids of Mars. 263 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:45.360 He's basically effectively polluted or infected with this gift of 264 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.700 dust to all the universe. 265 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:52.200 So, it's, it's, look, I mean, Doctor Who has done that before 266 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.620 obviously, you know, whether it's logopolis or other things, like 267 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:59.100 the flux and so on, but it's never going to be overly impressive 268 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:02.639 and it's more frightening when people are picked off, you know, one 269 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.399 by one, but they're going for the big, big shock value and it's 270 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:06.539 certainly made for a great special effect. 271 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:07.860 So I can't really complain. 272 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.980 And it also actually, I think that scene where he's on the alien 273 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:14.639 planet and it's just that woman with her, you know, dead child, I 274 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.580 assume, uh, is very effective. 275 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:19.919 And I think this idea that there are so, for some reason, there 276 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.200 are a few pockets of people who have been accidentally left, but 277 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.519 they're on the way out anyway, and that actually kind of is the 278 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.519 payoff to, to everybody turning to dust at once. 279 00:12:29.580 --> 00:12:32.820 Well, I like that because he doesn't mean the doctor actually 280 00:12:32.820 --> 00:12:34.080 visited that planet. 281 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:36.659 It may have been spread to that planet as it suggested in the 282 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:40.080 dialogue, like eventually gets there through Susan Triad or 283 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:41.460 through space and whatever. 284 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.220 And I spent that whole scene going, I know this woman. 285 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:44.940 I know this woman. 286 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:45.600 I know this woman. 287 00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:47.580 And then only when I watched it again. 288 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:52.320 The penny dropped that it's Claire from Fleabag and I thought she 289 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.240 was tremendous and I really didn't love that scene. 290 00:12:54.299 --> 00:12:58.320 Do you know, that seems to me in some ways to be an answer to the 291 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.419 tubital era, because that is a classic tubital era scene. 292 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.919 It's like Survivors of the Flux or like Ascension of the 293 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:08.820 Cyberman. 294 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:13.379 And it is kind of Russell showing A, that he can do that and make 295 00:13:13.379 --> 00:13:14.940 us care about it. 296 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:19.139 And B, that the doctor's job is to fix that sort of thing rather 297 00:13:19.139 --> 00:13:22.679 than just go away somewhere else at the end of the episode. 298 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:25.919 And so I just thought that was incredibly beautiful. 299 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:29.940 The details about the opera house, you know, and her husband being 300 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:33.840 tall and like all of that stuff, I just thought was so skilfully 301 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:38.639 done and the, and just that sort of the brownness of everything. 302 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:43.559 You know, the dust in the air, all of that, even the opticals of 303 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.559 the planets, which are all sort of shrouded in dust and things. 304 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:49.679 I just thought it was, it was really very good. 305 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:52.980 And of course, that action sequence leading up to it with the bus 306 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:56.100 and the, and the, and the chase and all of that, I thought, was 307 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:57.179 amazing. 308 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.740 And then suddenly we can see the money. 309 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:00.059 I mean, that's the sort of stuff. 310 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.100 I mean, there would obviously would have been CGI crashes in there 311 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:04.919 as well, but, you know, all those people, there would have been a 312 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.460 lot of extras there. 313 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:06.539 There was a lot of hardware happening. 314 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:07.620 There was a lot of crashes. 315 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.259 Yeah, as I said, some of it CGI, but I think there's real stuff 316 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:12.539 going on there and that costs money. 317 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.639 I actually think that, I mean, there's a lot being made about, you 318 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.799 know, shooting being emotional and they're being the odd emotional 319 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:18.120 scene here, they're everywhere throughout the season. 320 00:14:18.179 --> 00:14:19.500 But I actually think that this is the only one. 321 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:24.600 That scene is the only one for me, which actually was properly 322 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:24.960 emotional. 323 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:28.139 The rest were just like, he was just an emotional scene we're 324 00:14:28.139 --> 00:14:28.440 going to do. 325 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:30.299 Come on, everybody, let's feel emotional. 326 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.720 And you need to have more than that to actually be affected. 327 00:14:33.779 --> 00:14:38.159 And I think that was the 1st time in the season where I thought 328 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.399 yeah, we're actually doing that that kind of scene properly for 329 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:41.820 the 1st time. 330 00:14:42.179 --> 00:14:46.620 Yeah, no, I think that's a, that is an amazing, amazingly good 331 00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:47.279 scene. 332 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:48.840 All right. 333 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:52.620 Let's talk about Sutek himself. 334 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.740 Um, and someone pointed out that in the very 1st episode of the 335 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:02.820 new series, uh, Clive identifies the doctor's constant companion 336 00:15:02.820 --> 00:15:13.139 as deaf, um, and what this reminded me of is the arc. um 337 00:15:13.139 --> 00:15:13.980 naturally. 338 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:15.419 Of course. 339 00:15:15.899 --> 00:15:17.580 Dodo. 340 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:22.379 You remember that there's this line where the doctor suggests that 341 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:25.559 perhaps they've been infecting people wherever they've gone with 342 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.559 their germs and so they've been bringing germs everywhere. 343 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:34.740 Earlier in the, in the previous episode last week, the doctor said 344 00:15:34.740 --> 00:15:40.019 that he brought havoc and death wherever he went and that's why he 345 00:15:40.019 --> 00:15:45.659 hadn't gone back to visit Susan and, you know, Kate says, no, no, I 346 00:15:45.659 --> 00:15:46.620 think you bring joy. 347 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:51.299 But, you know, the doctors fear that he brings death and 348 00:15:51.299 --> 00:15:55.620 destruction and mayhem with him wherever he goes, and that's made 349 00:15:55.620 --> 00:16:02.820 real by having big old Soutec crouched over the ship for the last 350 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:04.440 40 something years. 351 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:11.399 Um, how did people feel that Sutec, Sutec went and and and that 352 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:12.960 resolution, Brendan? 353 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:18.059 So I said last week that I thought, you know, within 2 minutes of 354 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:21.600 the start of this episode, he'd be a man in a suit swanning around 355 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.679 um, that unit set, and it wasn't. 356 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.320 And again, I was really impressed by the visual effects of 357 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:32.220 Soutech. 358 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:38.820 I think having, um, I think having Harriet and later Mel and Susan 359 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:45.000 Triad, Sutex Avatars, if you like, um, helped helped lend to that 360 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:45.299 as well. 361 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:46.559 It gave it a sense of scale. 362 00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:51.120 But I thought the visual representation was really good. 363 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:57.659 They get a lot of emotionality out of that totally invented face. 364 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.360 And of course, Gabrielle Wolf has still got it. 365 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:02.220 So no complaints here. 366 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.859 What did you think, Tom? 367 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.059 I don't know. 368 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:07.380 I'm a bit on the fence with it. 369 00:17:07.619 --> 00:17:12.059 Just a lot, like a big dog all the time and then the voice over 370 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:12.539 the top. 371 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:13.259 Do you know what I mean? 372 00:17:14.099 --> 00:17:16.079 Like, is that... 373 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:16.740 No, I agree. 374 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:17.160 I agree. 375 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:20.940 And then I was trying to point out, well, when did he grab onto 376 00:17:20.940 --> 00:17:22.740 the TARDIS in the pyramids of Mars? 377 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.740 Was it when he 1st the vision happened at the beginning where 378 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:26.640 Sarah saw him? 379 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.420 Or was it, like, because later on he's sent to his doom, like in 380 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:30.900 the future? 381 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:32.700 But the Tatars isn't in that corridor. 382 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:35.099 So I guess I got stuck in that, Brendan? 383 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.200 I think you're absolutely right. 384 00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:39.900 And I messaged Nathan earlier saying, I've realised something 385 00:17:39.900 --> 00:17:40.980 about pyramids above. 386 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.420 If I forget, tell me. 387 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:47.460 No, I think it is when Sarah sees Sutek at the starter pyramids of 388 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:47.759 Mars. 389 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:51.599 Remember, they're en route to Unit HQ and then they are knocked 390 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.220 off course back to 1911. 391 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.440 So I think Soutex going forward. 392 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:59.160 The TARDIS is and runs into the TARDIS and sends it backwards. 393 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:04.019 Good explanation just as you're a perfect explanation, Brendan. 394 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:05.460 It's just like your unit dating theory. 395 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.500 Yeah, it's the same thing with Pyramids and Mars. 396 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:08.940 So, you know, you're bringing that. 397 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.920 I, however, have a much more Sorry, you... 398 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.819 I was just going to say, my unit dating theory depends on Soutec 399 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:17.940 grabbing onto the time vortex and ripping it out of shape. 400 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:18.539 And what happens? 401 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:19.500 What happens? 402 00:18:19.619 --> 00:18:21.539 Anyway, sorry, go away. 403 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:22.680 That's right. 404 00:18:22.740 --> 00:18:25.140 Look, I mean, I'm a Doctor Who fan. 405 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.140 I'm never going to let some misused continuity get in the way of 406 00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:29.460 enjoying the episode. 407 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.480 But look, I, for echoing what Todd was saying. 408 00:18:33.539 --> 00:18:35.940 I can understand why they present Z Tech like this. you know 409 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:38.099 modern audience, modern thing. have CGI, we can do all this 410 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:38.339 stuff. 411 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.980 I just think, though, that there is something and, you know, we 412 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:45.359 can mock the papier mache mask from 1975, but I think if you'd 413 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.319 have taken that look and just done it with today's technology in 414 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.400 today's ability, I think, at nuances and so on, I think it would 415 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.440 have been much more freaky. 416 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:59.640 I mean, that mask, even now when I watch Pyramids of Mars has a 417 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.680 freaky devilishness to it for me. 418 00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:06.779 But anyway, look, that was not going to detract. was just like, oh 419 00:19:06.779 --> 00:19:08.279 this is how I would have done it instead. 420 00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:12.480 I think, I mean, they love, it's like that thing that, you know 421 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.700 the modern era likes to try and recreate the catch lines that all 422 00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:16.920 the kids were saying on the bus when very elaborate was 423 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:17.460 overhearing them. 424 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.880 So, you know, we have to say, I bring Sutex gifts of dust to all 425 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.240 the universal humanity over and over again rather than just once 426 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.099 which would have been much more powerful. 427 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.720 I think the makeup on the, on the, the minions is the most 428 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.859 freakish and brilliant part of it because it is relatively 429 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:37.140 understated, certainly understated compared to the way CTex 430 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:37.559 presented. 431 00:19:37.619 --> 00:19:41.759 And I think the performances of those 3 actresses is immaculate 432 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.440 when they're being possessed. 433 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.539 And that does have that kind of devilish evil thing. 434 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:46.799 I'm not convinced. 435 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:49.980 I mean, I maybe I misheard things or wasn't paying attention, but 436 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:55.559 Sutech is an a siren, a race, a super advanced race that visits 437 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.579 ancient Egypt, and, you know, any adequately advanced technology 438 00:19:59.579 --> 00:20:03.119 is indistinguishable from magic, and godlike godness. 439 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:06.539 And that's why they are worshipped as gods and they influence the 440 00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:09.660 development of Egypt and the human race ultimately. 441 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.500 And now suddenly he's just kind of a hyper dimensional being. 442 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:14.819 Am I am I hearing that, right? 443 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.480 There is a line of dialogue where it's the fact that he travels 444 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:24.960 around the time vortex, you know, holding the TARDIS over all of 445 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:28.859 that time that eventually he does turn into the god that he always 446 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:29.700 imagined himself. 447 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.240 They could have to be. 448 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:31.740 But he imagines himself to be. 449 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.420 Yeah, that's a tough thing. 450 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.339 I, I still think, and they try and recreate it and not really 451 00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:44.460 successfully, the reason that we remember Zue Tech, apart from the 452 00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:48.359 cushion, obviously, is that scene with Tom. 453 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:55.500 Uh, and it's that, that scene where he, uh, you know, Tom is in 454 00:20:55.500 --> 00:21:00.180 the in the pyramid with SUTEC, and he's being tortured. 455 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.140 And Soutec, um, says what he thinks is good. 456 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.259 You know, like I leave death and destruction or what, you know 457 00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:08.880 wherever I go, I find that good. 458 00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:12.599 And then Tom says you're an abomination in the name of sort of all 459 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:13.980 sentient creation and things. 460 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.619 And I think that's one of the great highlights of the classic 461 00:21:16.619 --> 00:21:17.279 series. 462 00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:21.299 And, you know, far better than the story that it finds itself in. 463 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:27.480 And as recently as Flux, Chibnill tried to do that with Azure as 464 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.720 well, she and the doctor have a similar conversation along those 465 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.140 lines. 466 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.200 And I think that's incredible and that's where you get, you know 467 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.519 that crisp voice of Gabriel Wolf and the incredible stillness and 468 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:39.960 Tom in pain and stuff. 469 00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:42.359 I think it's one of the absolute highlights of the series. 470 00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:46.799 They do try and do that in the time window with shooting and the 471 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:50.940 big old dog, but it doesn't quite land in the same way. does seem 472 00:21:50.940 --> 00:21:51.960 to be just an echo of it. 473 00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:54.660 That's partly because I think there's just, I mean, this is the 474 00:21:54.660 --> 00:21:55.319 new series generally. 475 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:58.799 There is just not enough stillness in the new series. particularly 476 00:21:58.799 --> 00:21:59.220 in this season. 477 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:00.240 It's too much going on. 478 00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:03.299 It's not the way they're making it, which is unfortunate, but we 479 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:03.839 have to live with that. 480 00:22:03.900 --> 00:22:06.539 I don't know about the cultural appropriation line, which is very 481 00:22:06.539 --> 00:22:09.539 odd and not, I think, misplaced, but, you know, that's not 482 00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:10.380 atypical of this season. 483 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:14.400 Well, I think I think it's like a throwaway and almost a comedy 484 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:15.240 line as well. 485 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.299 I mean, the problem with one of the big problems with pyramids of 486 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:21.900 Mars is that by modern standards, it's quite racist. 487 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:26.519 And so, you know, if he is going to bring that character in, he 488 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.339 has to do what he did with the toy maker, I think, and sort of 489 00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:31.380 address it in some way without waiting. 490 00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.140 I don't necessarily see that though. 491 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:34.859 Really? 492 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:39.059 Yeah, there's lots of sort of silly Egyptian. apart from Ibrahim 493 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:39.900 Nam in the beginning. 494 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.839 And I mean, yeah, I think they're the character. 495 00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:43.380 Is that sort of thing? 496 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.039 But the concept of having him having influenced ancient Egypt and 497 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:48.960 basically effectively being an Egyptian god. 498 00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:50.039 I don't... 499 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:54.240 It's one of those unfortunate things that, you know, if you're 500 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.220 going to say a line like that, let there be actual cultural 501 00:22:56.220 --> 00:23:00.420 appropriation as opposed to, you know, cultural inspiration, should 502 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:00.839 we say? 503 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:03.599 I think there's cultural appropriation in the sense of taking 504 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.779 Egyptian culture and turning it into a hammer horror film and 505 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:10.380 probably that's what he's referring to rather than anything in 506 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:11.640 universe as such. 507 00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:13.019 I think it's a metacometry. 508 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.740 And also, it's a quicker way for the doctor to explain to Ruby. 509 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.500 Well, he's actually an alien who came here and was worshipped as a 510 00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:22.920 god, and that was the foundation for Egyptian culture, and da da 511 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:23.099 da. 512 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.420 It's cultural appropriation. 513 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.279 Ruby's like, oh, I know what that means. 514 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:26.640 Yeah. 515 00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:32.160 But having him as the big dog was fantastic because it gave us 516 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.460 that wonderful moment, which I didn't actually see coming where 517 00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:39.359 Ruby's going to go and show him the tablet or whatever and I'm 518 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.940 going, I want to know what's the name and then she drops it and 519 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:44.220 leashes him and it's like on for young and old. 520 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:44.819 I thought that was great. 521 00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:46.740 The god of nothing line. 522 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.119 She was so magnificent. 523 00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.079 Is that what she says? 524 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:49.980 God of nothing. 525 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:51.599 You know, she mocks him. 526 00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:55.559 And then puts a leash on him and that kind of... 527 00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:56.880 Yes, it's pretty great. 528 00:23:56.940 --> 00:23:58.799 Some men would pay good money for that. 529 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:06.119 And I guess, you know, people are obviously going to say Deos X 530 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:09.779 Markina, because they always say that about Russell's finales 531 00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:12.720 whether they have a day or sex Markina in them or not. 532 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:15.539 This one obviously has a deos in mark in our. 533 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.220 We had a dayos lying around, and obviously we have to use that to 534 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:22.200 solve the problem that it's created. 535 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:26.759 And so while I'm not kind of sure that, you know, death squared 536 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:31.440 equals life, whatever, I guess, it's magic and that's how we're 537 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:32.039 going to resolve it. 538 00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:36.420 I kind of went, yeah, death plus death equals life, does it 539 00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:36.779 really? 540 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.380 And just by dragging through the vortex, suddenly, by touching the 541 00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:44.279 sides, he's going to just make everything on every world. okay? 542 00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:44.940 I don't know. 543 00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:47.880 I just I wanted a bit more explanation. 544 00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:49.079 I'm okay with it, right? 545 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:51.960 I, you know, there is an explanation there. 546 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:56.160 It's just if you dig a little bit deeper, sometimes that's not as 547 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.180 satisfactory, but I'm not, I'm not saying I don't like it, like 548 00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:01.559 there is an explanation. 549 00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:06.059 I think multiply death by death rather than... exactly. 550 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.759 It's like the square of minus one and square of minus one is one. 551 00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:09.599 Yeah, that's it. 552 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:11.579 Yeah, yeah, that's what I was going to say. 553 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.819 Like the 12-year-old at home has just learned in maths this week 554 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:17.880 that if you multiply a negative by a negative, you get a 555 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:18.240 positive. 556 00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.700 And I think that's what Russell's going for. 557 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:25.079 And frankly, scientifically, it's like shoving all the IVs in the 558 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.160 lift shower in New Earth and you suddenly cure everything. 559 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:31.619 Okay, Russell, sure care, Russell. 560 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:36.000 But, like, yeah, I don't think, like... 561 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:36.359 Yeah. 562 00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:39.900 But like you, Todd, I'm just along for the ride. 563 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.880 It's like, okay, that's the explanation I'm given. 564 00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:44.759 Everyone in the room believes it. 565 00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:45.240 Okay. 566 00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:46.559 Yep, fine. 567 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:47.519 I'm along. 568 00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:48.000 Yeah. 569 00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:51.180 Well, I'm totally okay with him being let off the leash and then 570 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:54.119 dying in the vortex because he's no longer connected to the TARDIS 571 00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:54.599 in some way. 572 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:57.000 So that I had no problem with that at all. 573 00:25:57.059 --> 00:25:58.440 I think that looked great. 574 00:25:58.500 --> 00:25:59.220 Yeah. 575 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:00.480 Oh, yeah, stunning. 576 00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:01.440 I thought that looked good. 577 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:02.400 I mean, it's one of those things. 578 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:05.759 When you create a situation like that where the entirety of 579 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:10.920 creation is being obliterated by this dust, no way out. 580 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:14.460 There is no way out of that that's going to be either plausible or 581 00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:15.539 ultimately satisfactory. 582 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.539 So whenever those sorts of things happen on that sort of scale, I 583 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:21.000 just kind of go, oh, you know, whatever. 584 00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:25.019 I mean, I think I think we want the visuals from that. 585 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.160 Do you know what I mean? 586 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:28.980 I think it would be poor if the show was less ambitious if it said 587 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:31.859 well, we can't plausibly get out of this, so we'll just give 588 00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:33.839 everyone a bit of a cold or something like that. 589 00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:34.559 Do you know what I mean? 590 00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:36.420 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 591 00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:39.839 It's better that they sort of attempt it and then do, you know 592 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:43.200 they have a god lying around and so they use that to solve the 593 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:43.500 problem. 594 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.319 I think, you know, that's kind of okay. 595 00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:50.819 I mean, it's just that like sort of lack of sophistication that I 596 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:52.200 alluded to earlier in the season. 597 00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:55.980 That's all, it's just, and that's for me, the issue, broadly 598 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:59.400 speaking, with Russell's version of the show, is just a broad, like 599 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.960 a sophistication, to my taste. 600 00:27:01.019 --> 00:27:03.660 It doesn't mean I can't enjoy it because the one thing that most 601 00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:06.539 of this season has had, of course, isn't it's been engaging, even 602 00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:07.680 if I haven't liked all of it. 603 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:13.200 What I wasn't necessarily okay with was Colonel Ibrahim and Kate 604 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.220 holding hands at the end. 605 00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:15.539 Yes, what was that? 606 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.440 What was that? 607 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:16.980 Why? 608 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.599 Because they were dead. 609 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.279 In fact, it wasn't a recent button. 610 00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:21.000 We fixed it. 611 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:21.960 Do you know what I mean? 612 00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:23.460 Like all of that happened. 613 00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:25.980 They were aware that it happened. 614 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.480 Yeah, where it happened. 615 00:27:27.539 --> 00:27:31.559 Yeah, it's interesting that, yeah, I've I've said on a previous 616 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.380 episode this season, we've had some episodes of really where 617 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:37.140 they're influencers on their sleeve, and I think a big influence 618 00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:41.640 with Mel slowly fading away. 619 00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:45.119 And it occurred to me afterwards because, of course, we just lost 620 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.259 Donald Sutherland a few days ago, is the 1978 invasion of the body 621 00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:52.380 snatchers where it's when you fall asleep that they get you. 622 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:57.839 And I felt like it was very much like the characters in that 623 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.119 version trying to stay awake. 624 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:05.220 As for the revivification, I think Russell is directly taking it 625 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:07.920 from the Avengers endgame films. 626 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.259 Yeah, with the snap. 627 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.339 Because, yeah, with the snap and with the fact that we can't 628 00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:17.759 change time because it creates a paradox, therefore, we will bring 629 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.319 everyone back 5 years later. 630 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:26.099 And I do wonder whether we're going to explore next season the 631 00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:30.000 fact that everyone in the world has been dead for 2 hours or 632 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.720 whatever it was and everyone remembers it on some level. 633 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:37.799 Um, because something I really liked when we had those death 634 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.539 scenes was out with our with our heroes and their supporters and 635 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:47.220 family and Carla and the unit people and everyone, there was a 636 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:53.880 stoicism and acceptance and sadness and I thought that Gemma 637 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.839 Redgrave speech about the birds was so beautifully done. 638 00:28:57.900 --> 00:29:00.599 And I found myself thinking, what is it about the birds? 639 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:03.059 And then I thought back today of the doctor and she's out watching 640 00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:03.900 the ravens. 641 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.960 And they need recharging or something. 642 00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:08.640 That's right. 643 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.099 I thought it was great in this two-part. 644 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.660 Like, I don't care what people say about her. 645 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.940 I actually really, all the women, all the women were fabulous in 646 00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:18.779 this. 647 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.859 And one scene that moved me to absolute tears was actually Ruby 648 00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.779 meeting a mum and I didn't think I was going to. 649 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.220 I actually had tears. 650 00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:27.599 So well done. 651 00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:33.299 Let's talk about that because I think that so has done 4 proper 652 00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:39.359 kind of full season finales and only in one of them has the 653 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:44.099 companion departed of their own free will and that's Martha. 654 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.160 And I think that we liked that. 655 00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:50.460 I think, you know, generally speaking, we like it because she just 656 00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:52.859 gets to leave on her own terms and she doesn't leave for space 657 00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:53.640 reasons. 658 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.559 She just says, I'm kind of done here. 659 00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:59.039 And that scene where she's there with a doctor and she's trying to 660 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.619 talk to him, but she's distracted by her phone. 661 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:04.859 Like, and it's her life. 662 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.859 All these changes in her life, her mother, her father, all calling 663 00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:12.960 her away from him and her being torn and it's an amazing 664 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.400 performance by Millie. 665 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.680 And I think it's the right decision. 666 00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:20.759 I was expecting, you know, we were all expecting her to be, you 667 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:24.420 know, some hyper intelligent pan-dimensional being or something. 668 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:29.880 And she just ends up being Millie and she just leaves on her own 669 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.680 terms in a normal way. 670 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.640 And I found it really incredibly moving. 671 00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:39.900 And the bit that I liked the most was where the doctor tells her 672 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:45.240 not to go and speak to Louise and the reason he does that is he's 673 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:50.160 a foundling, and he wants them to be foundlings together, and he 674 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:55.079 fears that he'll lose her, if she finds her mother, that that's 675 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.920 you know, there's a little selfish moment there, um, where he 676 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:00.420 tries to persuade her out of it. 677 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.920 And you can see that in that final scene where he knows that he's 678 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:09.059 going to say goodbye to her because the big thing that they had in 679 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:12.359 common all this time is now gone and she has something better. 680 00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:15.779 It's a little bit like, you know, Rose gets her father back at the 681 00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:20.279 end of series two, you know, Millie gets her whole family back or 682 00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.619 a new family or a, you know, an origin. 683 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.140 It was just all very well done. 684 00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:30.000 It's interesting you say that because that's not how I read that 685 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.339 conversation between the doctor and Millie. 686 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.559 When they're outside the cafe, I mean, and how I read it is he's 687 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.519 listing all the reasons he still hasn't popped forward to the 22nd 688 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.480 century to see. 689 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:43.200 Susan. 690 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:43.500 Yeah. 691 00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:44.400 But there's that too. 692 00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:46.799 And then that is mentioned in that. 693 00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:47.640 Well, I've seen it. 694 00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:51.539 I think certainly in that last scene, there is an element of, you 695 00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:54.960 know, Ruby is now moving away from him because not only has she 696 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.440 got the family who raised her, but she's found the family, who 697 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:04.200 created her, you know, and she, so she's surrounded by twice the 698 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.839 love she had before, if not more. 699 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:10.680 And I think I think there's an element in of sadness in there of 700 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.940 he doesn't feel needed and even feels like he might be intruding 701 00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:16.019 on that. 702 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:21.660 Um, Yeah, and I, I, I just thought his his reaction to watching 703 00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.519 them in the cafes is so lovely. 704 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.000 And and melancholy and heartbreaking. 705 00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:30.779 It's a bit of a rebuke too, isn't it, to, you know, the way the 706 00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:34.619 doctor had the watch and she just threw it away. 707 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.920 She decided not to investigate it and look into it. 708 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.960 And now he sees Ruby making a completely different decision and 709 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.259 starts to think, well, maybe that's what I should have done. 710 00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:48.539 Um, nothing to add. 711 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.140 I mean, I, I, it's funny because I read it as the, at the scene 712 00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:54.119 outside the cafe as the doctor was playing. 713 00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:57.420 It was so that she wasn't having an internal monologue. 714 00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.400 It was kind of, it was kind of an external version of the internal 715 00:32:59.400 --> 00:32:59.700 monitor. 716 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:00.660 Should I go in there? 717 00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:01.619 What if she doesn't like me? 718 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.160 What if she hates me? 719 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:03.000 What if she doesn't want to see it? 720 00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:04.259 Basically, it's like that thing. 721 00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:06.660 As soon as, as soon as she steps through the door and talks to her 722 00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:10.799 there is only, you know, it'll be what it'll be and she can't, she 723 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.940 can't ever wonder whether, you know, if the reaction is bad, she 724 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:17.339 can't even wonder what might the reaction have been like? 725 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:17.880 you know what I mean? 726 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:19.680 I'm not expressing that right, but it's that kind of thing. 727 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:22.859 It's basically the doctor's providing the procrastination. 728 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.160 I just saw it as a use of a character in drama rather than 729 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.519 anything deeper than that, I'm afraid, but that probably says a 730 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:29.880 lot about me. 731 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.740 I thought it was really good casting, actually, because I 732 00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:35.759 really... 733 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.279 I thought it was great casting, like, really? 734 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:39.180 Like, really? 735 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.519 Like I just couldn't believe, you know? 736 00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:44.279 And just to expand on what you were saying, Nathan, about the way 737 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.099 she leaves is that, I mean, it's not just the space not having 738 00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:47.819 space reasons. 739 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.539 It's the fact that a companion leaving on their own terms, which 740 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:54.660 can be for space reasons, but it's the fact that rather than the 741 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:57.059 space reasons keeping them away from the doctor because there's an 742 00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.000 interdimensional rifter, whatever hell it is, um, it's because 743 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.400 they've decided, have learnt so much from you. 744 00:34:02.460 --> 00:34:04.920 I've loved our time together, but I actually think I am more used 745 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.579 to doing this now, being basically taking everything I've learnt 746 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:12.179 from you and helping these other people here and I need to go and 747 00:34:12.179 --> 00:34:14.039 add big do and be an adult over here now. 748 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.219 And I think that for me, that's what's most appealing. 749 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.320 It's funny, the space reasons, uh, things that Russell does. 750 00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:23.579 He walks both of them back. 751 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.760 And one of them more successfully than the other. 752 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.480 Uh, you know, Billy gets a spare David Tennant. 753 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:33.840 Spare David Tennant, because that's... 754 00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:38.159 And of course, Russell does make us wait 15 years or whatever, but 755 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.920 eventually we resolve the Donna thing as well. 756 00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:43.739 So those are never particularly satisfactory. 757 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:44.639 We had Moffat. 758 00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:45.960 Although Donna's a space reason, though. 759 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.519 Yeah, but she's back. 760 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:48.239 Do you know what I mean? 761 00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:49.739 It's kind of like, let's not do that. 762 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.880 Let's actually just have her stay with another spare David 763 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.420 Tennant. 764 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.699 It's very traumatised. 765 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.800 It's a very trial of a time, Lord 14. 766 00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.300 No, we shouldn't have done that. 767 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.820 That's a bit Moffatt does that too. 768 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.360 Ruby, the actress that Ruby is coming back, if not in the 769 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.440 Christmas special, the next year. 770 00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:13.920 So they are just, unfortunately they are just going to undo it and 771 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.659 she's going to be left with another spare David Tennant or 772 00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:15.900 something. 773 00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:19.260 Oh, Simon. 774 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.719 That is not beyond the realms of possibility, Todd. 775 00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:22.380 Exactly. 776 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:26.159 We'd all like a lot of things. 777 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:33.179 That's, that's, that was, that was exactly what I thought when I 778 00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:34.980 heard Russell was coming back to produce the show. 779 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.860 The one thing that I was disappointed you guys didn't pick up on 780 00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:45.000 last week, though, was the VHS tape and, you know, when they're in 781 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.920 the time portal or whatever the hell it's quite time window. 782 00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:47.519 What was it called? 783 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.559 Someone is actually, and this is kudos to whoever looked up, looked 784 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.780 after this on the production, but they've actually put dropouts 785 00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:56.820 and things on the VHS. 786 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.059 It actually looks like an enormous projected VHS tape, the kind 787 00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:02.219 that's been sitting around for a long while, so there are bits 788 00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:04.619 missing and there's a few jumps and so on like that. 789 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.219 I read that as not the fact that it was distortion because of the 790 00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:10.739 time window because of the fact that it was a VHS. 791 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 792 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:11.820 Yeah. 793 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:13.079 Just even the quality of the image. 794 00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:13.679 I thought. 795 00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:14.579 Yes, yeah, yeah. 796 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.739 Slightly smudgy and slightly musy, you know. 797 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.699 Yeah. 798 00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:18.599 That whole sequence. 799 00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:20.400 Is that tape? 800 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:21.840 I thought there was tapes for a second. 801 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:22.860 I think this tape, oh, yeah. 802 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.699 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 803 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:24.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 804 00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:26.940 You know, I reckon Steve Roberts was sitting at home saying, that's 805 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:27.420 what it's like. 806 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.099 That's what it like. 807 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:31.500 So, Brendan. 808 00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.159 Yes. 809 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:36.539 What about your season one, season one? 810 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:37.980 Yeah, okay, right. 811 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.860 So we're up to the reign of terror, of course. 812 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.860 And look, for understandable reasons. 813 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.960 Everyone's quite maudlin this week. 814 00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:56.699 But the big one is, in fact, related to Roger Appwilliam. who, of 815 00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:57.719 course, is the prime minister. 816 00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:00.239 And when the doctor turns up outside the office, He says, I was 817 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.139 here when he was deposed. 818 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.679 Well, who gets deposed at the end of Reign of Terror, but citizen 819 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.739 Robespierre, who the doctor had previously been to sea, but he's 820 00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:10.920 not actually there when he's dragged out of the office. 821 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.639 So we have that. 822 00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.019 And of course, you know, Robespierre is a complicated figure in 823 00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:26.579 French historical politics, but also has a long legacy and as soon 824 00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:30.360 as the doctor hears and things of the name Roger at William back 825 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.719 in 73 yards, he's able to sort of rattle off everything he can 826 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:34.139 do. 827 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.599 Whereas, you know, Harriet Jones, he had to think about it for a 828 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:37.139 few hours. 829 00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.480 And he's like, oh, I know that name's familiar. 830 00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:44.099 So, yeah, we have a significant historical figure being deposed 831 00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:46.019 from office and the doctor was somehow involved. 832 00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:48.119 Well known, Brendan. 833 00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:52.559 I just, look, I thought the sensor rights was going to be 834 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.320 difficult. ended up having like 3 or four. 835 00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:59.639 Well, see, this is the end of the season, and so we'll be back 836 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.780 this Christmas to see whether Stephen Moffat's up to writing a 837 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.159 Christmas special or not. 838 00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:07.920 So we'll see you a couple of days after Christmas Day. 839 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.659 And of course, if there's any urgent spinoff that suddenly gets 840 00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:16.559 released between now and then, I imagine we might be back for 841 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:17.039 that. 842 00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:20.880 If you're interested in keeping up with the 2nd great and 843 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.320 bountiful Human Empire news. 844 00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:30.539 You can follow us at FDE podcast on X or even better on Mastodon 845 00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:32.400 or Blue Sky. 846 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.000 I'm just going to plug untitled Star Trek Project. 847 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:42.780 This Friday's episode is Angel One, the Planet of Aggressive and 848 00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:47.760 Very Sexy Women, and a very, very, very important message about 849 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.079 feminism, which is we're not remotely interested in it here at 850 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.400 Star Trek the Next Generation. 851 00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.679 Brendan, do you have things that you want to plant? 852 00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:00.300 Uh, yes. 853 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.260 So, um, this uh, we can just go on by. 854 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:11.159 We are up to the cool war for the 3 handed game with the Avengers 855 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.679 and we are looking at our 1st episode of the New Avengers, which 856 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.179 is called Catch a Rat. 857 00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:17.460 So that's at the three-handed game. 858 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.119 Meanwhile, over on my gaming podcast, BJ and I have gone on 859 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:26.280 holiday to play the tourist, so that you can find at the BJBJ game 860 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:26.639 show. 861 00:39:26.699 --> 00:39:30.659 And so you can keep up with us at flightsorentirety.com, of course 862 00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:36.420 uh, and on our website here, greatandbountiful.com, uh, or if you 863 00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:39.059 have a bit more time on your hands, the 2nd great and 864 00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:44.340 bountifulhuman empire.com, or even possibly Shooty summoned a 865 00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:46.800 hopeful dentate harbinger.com. 866 00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:52.079 Until next time, then, remember, you can wait nearly 44 years, and 867 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.840 finally, a Doctor Who story comes along in which the planet 868 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.639 Tigella is destroyed. 869 00:39:56.699 --> 00:39:58.559 So never stop hoping. 870 00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:01.199 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 871 00:40:01.260 --> 00:40:02.460 Good night. 872 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.039 I can't even see Matilla Oriensis. 873 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.199 I'll see you soon