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Hello, Delissa, and welcome back to the 2nd great and bountiful

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Human Empire, the only Doctor Who Flashcast brought to you by

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Shooty summoned a Hopeful Dentate Harbinger, um, Industries, or

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something.

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I'm Malice.

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I mischief.

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And I'm misery.

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So shooting someone to Hopeful Dentate Harbinger is literally an

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anagram of the 2nd grade and bountiful human Empire.

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Well done.

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Well done.

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Are you going to change?

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are you going to change?

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change the logo. for this episode.

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Okay.

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No, it's crazy.

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You can if you want.

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It's kind of unfortunate that the person who would appreciate that

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most in the world.

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Christopher Hamilton Bidmate will never, ever listen to this.

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All right.

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Let's just very quickly go round the table and talk about whether

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we like this episode or not.

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I'm going to put my cards on the table and say, I did.

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I've enjoyed every episode this season.

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It's a little bit hard to judge, of course, because it's a part

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one.

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What did you think, James?

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Look, I loved it.

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Like most of us, I'd heard the rumours.

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Um, at all the fan speculation that Soutec was returning, uh, and

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I'd said, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, like, wow, fans, fans be fans, like

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we'll always speculate about anything.

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Um, And so I was fully expecting it and then didn't actually

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seriously actually expect it to happen.

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Until the moment when you hear Gabriel Wolf's voice.

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They're not going to do that.

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They're not going to do that.

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And then he just cuts in over Susan Twist speech and I'm like, oh

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that's, that's, that's Gabriel, oh, okay, okay, okay.

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It was...

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I just found it. like I I've watched it 2.5 times.

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Brilliant.

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I so watched a doctor episode.

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In the 1st week after broadcast in a long time, nothing against

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the series.

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I've just been so, it was so, it was so fun.

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It like had the fun of a Russell two-part season finale, which is

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something we've not had for so long.

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Um, it just, yeah, um, Yeah, I'm just going to stop gabbling now

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and let Brendan, have you say?

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Um, well, you've summed it up really well there.

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It was, it was just immensely good, and I realised sort of two

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thirds of the way through.

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It has a lot of commonality with army of ghosts in terms of

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structure and setting and even the sort of construction of the

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cliffhanger.

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But I realise sort of 2 thirds of the way through that it's a lot

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of talking about what's been happening this season, what's going

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on with the characters.

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And I was still hooked.

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You know, um, it's a feeling of growing dread rather than an

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actual menace standing in the corner.

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Um, and then sort of about halfway through you get, you start

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getting actual physical menace.

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Um, But yeah, I think, Everyone is just really great in it.

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I'm wondering if Yasmin and Finney will get more to do next week.

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Just because I think of all of all the cast, she's the only

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character.

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Rose is the only character who didn't really have a story or a

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motivation this week.

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But she was also there to give Ruby a mate.

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And they had this immediate lovely girlfriend-y chemistry that I

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really liked, especially because, you know, Russell used to build

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on the idea of, oh, the companions are all jealous of each other

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and here, like, Ruby is meeting loads of the doctor's old friends

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and she's just like so thrilled to meet everyone.

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It is such a lovely thing.

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And then everyone gets along and starts working together.

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I think my favourite moment of that part of the episode is when

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the girls and Kate start fan curling over to be a McCall. yeah

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she's nice.

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She nice.

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It's really cute.

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I have to say that one of my very favourite episodes of this run

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so far since November is the giggle.

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And one of the things that I was most looking forward to was

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seeing shooty in that new unit set up again, because, you know, it

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was clearly being set up for the future.

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I really liked it.

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Like I just love that stupid skyscraper and the ridiculous

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cantilevered Ellie pad and stuff.

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And then Ibrahim, Colonel Ibrahim's back looking hot and just

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they're all there and it's just really terrifically fun and I'm

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just kind of happy to pass time with those people.

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And I think, you know, we said the original Russell T. Davis era

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expanding the kind of uh, regular cast into a sort of semi-regular

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cast.

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And here, you know, we've got Kate, we've got the hilarious and

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delightful new scientific advisor who I think is adorable.

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We have the links, you know, all of these things back, all of

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these elements back that we were waiting for.

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It's just terrific.

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I love how he's always definitively the links.

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Yes.

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The links.

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Do this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I haven't read the novelisation of the giggle yet, but I

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gather that somewhere, somewhere in there, it's like the links

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does not have pronouns.

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You refer to the links as the links and that's part of the links's

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programming and personality.

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Yeah, I loved Lenny Rush as Morris.

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I was amazed to discover that Lenny is only 15 just from the

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strength of the performance he gives.

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And spoiler alert, Ruth Madely has been spotted filming next

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year.

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So you know, we haven't totally lost Shirley.

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And and yeah, and even Harriet Harriet Arbinger, getting really

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excited that she gets to analyse a videotape. working in TV myself

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and having to have gone in to get archive stuff from tapes.

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It is exciting.

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But also the double meaning of that line in hindsight.

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I was born for the, like I was born for this.

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Yes, yes, you were.

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You were actually born. to like push this plot forward through

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this action.

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Like, oh, yeah.

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It was a really clever script.

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Hmm, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I think so too.

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Well, so I think, you know, once we've kind of got in and

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introduced ourselves to everyone and stuff, I think maybe the

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central scene, because it is the legend of Ruby Sunday, is that

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incredible scene in the time window, which again just gives shooty

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so much acting to do, which looks amazing, just looks

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astonishing.

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You know, the videotape effects and stuff.

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Is it done on the volume?

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Is that what we think is happening?

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No, no, it's a multiple projectors onto white cyclorama, cycle

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rama.

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Right.

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So, yeah. like, yeah, like onto one, basically. projected, like

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obviously very high resolution projectors and a number of them to

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get it to look at sort of 3D. And obviously, the TARDIS is

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physically there in some sense as well with effects over the top

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of it, I think.

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But and then they layer in like the snow and everything.

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So yeah, like it, but it was practical.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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That is great.

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What did you think of it, Brendan?

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Oh, yeah, I absolutely loved that.

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And I think there's an effort to evoke Japanese horror there

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particularly the ring, but, you know, in the wake of the ring

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we've also had, um, I believe the original was Spanish, but it

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could have been done in Mexico, uh, wreck, the rec horror films

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which are found footage horror films.

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I did see an interesting opinion online and it was either from

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friend of the podcast Kevin or someone responding to him saying it

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feels like it was written to be scarier visually than it ended up

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but possibly that that's as far as they could go with the found

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footage horror ring sort of aesthetic.

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But I think it really works.

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And I found it unsettling.

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So I imagine that the 10 or 12 year old at home is going to find

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that scary as well.

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It's the revelation that the CCTV camera is 66 metres away from

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the mother, which is, of course, 73 yards.

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And so that's probably why we can't see her face at any point.

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And I'm hoping that sort of plays into it.

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But, you know, it's very clever and no one in the show seems to

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notice because I guess no one really knows.

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No one remembers.

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No, that's right.

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Also, does that mean that Ruby's mother is Ruby?

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Oh, she's a she's a grandfather paradox.

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Could be, could be.

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But um, yeah, I thought that was, that'd be kind of moffity

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wouldn't it?

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But so are some of the dialogue, you know, like Phoenix is just a

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bird until it burns, was giving me serious Moffat vibes as well.

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I think there's a lot that Russell's learnt from the long Moffat

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era.

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What did you think of that seeing James?

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Look, I really enjoyed that scene.

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Um, harking back to your point about the sort of building dread.

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Throughout the episode.

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That's where it really kind of kicks into into gear.

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Uh, you know, like you've got, you've got this sort of setup of

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this mystery and all this talk of traps, constantly reiterating.

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This is, yeah, the, the, um, the likelihood of a trap is

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increasing, you know, 95%, 97% kind of thing.

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Um, But that sort of eerie, ghostly like landscape that they're

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in.

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The obvious emotional anguish that Ruby is in and the doctor's

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emotion towards her because he cares about her and she's in pain.

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Um, and then that moment where Colonel Jadetty disappears behind

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the TARDIS and then all that stuff with, uh, where they finally

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hear his voice and and it's, it's like, you know, I've been eaten

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basically, like I've been swallowed by like this ancient being.

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Like, you know, like, I mean, it's a trope.

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That's an obvious trope.

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The person has disappeared.

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They've, they're dead, that they're talking to you from beyond the

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grave.

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God, that's howling.

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It's muffin again too, I think.

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Well, yes, yes, yeah.

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He turned off the light.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right Or, or, um, the stuff in the uh, the angels 2

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parter.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Angel Bob.

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Yeah, it's um, it is pretty good stuff.

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I also think that, um, when Ruby's mother is, like, stops for a

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bit and then she, she's crying and Carla says she's crying and and

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Carla wants to reach out to her and and reassure her because we

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already know that she's just a young woman, um, like in her, in

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her 20s, it is Ruby, isn't it?

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There's definitely...

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Um, uh, yeah, and I thought that was super effective on top of um

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shooty's responses and on top of the way that Kate is reacting, and

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of course, merely, like it is like a scene that's emotional on all

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sorts of levels and everyone gets the chance to really shine in

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it.

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I thought it was great and just visually stunning.

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And then there's the wonderful moment where Carla recognises the

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beast as well.

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We're foreshadowing a little.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's pretty wild, isn't it?

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All right.

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So one person that we haven't mentioned, and she turns up

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obviously, in the next scene, because we pretty much go from the

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time window scene to Susan Twist's huge opening, and it's Mel, of

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course.

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And isn't it fantastic to see her back?

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Oh, well, it's not going to be a surprise to any long-term

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listeners that I was just so chuffed.

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And of course, this appearance by Bonnie Ismel was the 1st thing

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announced before she appeared in the giggle.

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Right.

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Okay, yeah.

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You know, the giggle was a bit more surprising.

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Whereas, yeah, all of Bonnie's pre-publicity was, oh, it's so

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wonderful to work with Shooty.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, because they were odd location.

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On location.

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Exactly.

255
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Yeah, yeah.

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And yeah, it's so great to see her.

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And it means because Mel is this just upright, honest character, we

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immediately feel sympathy for Susan Triad.

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And especially because Mel then says...

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She's actually really lovely.

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Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

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Because Mel is a character of pure cardboard in the 80s, you know

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and she, she, there's a really quite a sort of sweet and touching

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thing in the interview that she does in DWM where she says, I fear

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I didn't do a very good job, which is terrible.

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I'm mortified to think that she thinks that because she was

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magnificent.

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Showing good, good job by her.

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Yeah, maybe that's it ending the point.

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But there's enough there, just from the charm of her performances

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Mel, and from the way the character was designed, that, you know

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this is still definitely Mel, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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This is like Mel, you know, she's been through some stuff.

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Um, oh, also the, the, the hinting at her origin as well.

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And that's just the story that we obviously never saw.

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Um, and what terrible thing happened to her parents?

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Oh my god.

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It's it's dark.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's super interesting, isn't it?

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So it's adding a level to the character and like establishing that

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she's an orphan, which I don't think was really, definitely

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established in the, in the 1980s.

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Well, you just never, she doesn't have anything apart from, she

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was a computer programmer.

287
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Yeah, yeah.

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It was literally her character description, wasn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically, basically.

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I mean, frankly, being the 1980s in Doctor Who, she would be the

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odd one out if she weren't an orphan.

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Yeah, that's right.

293
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Four orphans, that show.

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All right.

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So, Susan Triad comes in.

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She does what is apparently a Teresa May dance.

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I wasn't really aware of this, but that's what she's doing

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according to the audio description as tweeted by Hannah, friend of

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the podcast just a few moments before we started recording.

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So that's bringing up some traumatic memories, I guess, for the

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viewers in the UK.

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What do we think generally of what's going on here with the with

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the cliffhanger, James.

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I think given the state of British politics, they're probably

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remembering that Theresa made hands with affection at this point.

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Exactly.

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That deep, Richie Sunak, where we don't let the Prime Minister

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into the, like, particularly not the Prime Minister, we don't let

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the Elon Musk joke.

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Yeah, the Elon Musk joke.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And you want to know something?

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When was this shot?

314
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Yeah, I don't know.

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Because Rishi Sunak probably wasn't Prime Minister when this was

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shot.

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It works for all of them, really.

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You know, and you've also got like a year before broadcast at

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least.

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Yeah, probably.

321
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Like April last year, maybe?

322
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Yeah.

323
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. because they they've just finished shooting um

324
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shooting 2nd series.

325
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Yeah, a couple of weeks ago.

326
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But yeah, you also get a dig in there of, you know, we keep an eye

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on all the tech billionaires and take down the ones using alien

328
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tech well except for the obvious, but we're working on him.

329
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Yeah.

330
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So good.

331
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But back to the climax.

332
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Clifford, yeah.

333
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Yeah.

334
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Oh.

335
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Oh my god.

336
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Like someone, someone online made the, made the sort of caddish, um

337
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but quite appetite joke about, um, Sutek.

338
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Obviously, employing a graphic designer.

339
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Um, to make sure that his return was um, as impactful as possible

340
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and and and that, you know, like they'd really put in some effort

341
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with, with anagrams.

342
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Yeah, yeah.

343
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So you take those comes now.

344
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It's super weird.

345
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Yeah.

346
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Yeah.

347
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But it doesn't think that they do at the end of Army, of course, or

348
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less successfully the end of Aliens of London. the multiple like

349
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the multiple cliffhanger thing where you've got our various uh

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protagonists being threatened by by different but linked uh

351
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menaces.

352
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Um, and and everybody finding the information out at the same time

353
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through different means, which is, uh, like, I think it was done

354
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really well in this case.

355
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And what do we think of, um, so you takes makeover, um, Brendan?

356
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It's interesting because I really love it, you know, and for a

357
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start, I think the makeup effects on Harriet and Susan are

358
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incredibly effective.

359
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Do you think they're trying to like hark back to Marcus Scarman?

360
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Oh, absolutely.

361
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

362
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

363
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And, you know, I like that each of them being a different sort of

364
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function of Soutec, if you like, are given a different appearance

365
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and a different look.

366
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Um, Now, I've seen some complaints online about the CG jackal

367
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Sutech.

368
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I really like it, and I don't see anything wrong with it, and a

369
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lot of people are saying they don't like it.

370
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I have to wonder if it's a difference in TV settings and that's

371
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not me saying to anyone, you've got your TV set up wrong.

372
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I'm just saying it looked really good on mine.

373
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Yeah, yeah.

374
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No, I think it looks really effective.

375
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It's got teeth.

376
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You know, that was a very static rubber mask, which was effective

377
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at the time and there are some moments where I think it looks

378
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fantastic in Pyramids of Mars, which I think is a vastly overrated

379
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story.

380
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But I love that mask.

381
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I love that mask.

382
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You know, it's it's a papier machet mask.

383
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Yeah.

384
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You know, like on a stick.

385
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Yeah.

386
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Yes, yes, I don't think there's even a person there some of the

387
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time.

388
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Yeah.

389
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It's very narrow hair.

390
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Yeah, that's right.

391
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But I think it looks great.

392
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And it certainly, you know, back in the day when there are a lot

393
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of puppets made out of terriers' heads, like the scarrison and

394
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stuff.

395
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So it's like being reminded of my old dog Gracie again when I look

396
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at when I look at one of those and again tonight with a terrifying

397
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the terrifying jackal head, which I think looks pretty great.

398
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Yeah, so I think that's kind of fun.

399
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And weird and, you know, the way it, uh, you know, wraps around

400
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the TARDIS and doesn't seem to have a body and stuff.

401
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It's all very strange.

402
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Yeah, I mean, for me, it's sort of playing on the, the idea of a

403
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like sleep paralysis demon, which people seem, seemingly

404
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universally describe as a black shape at the end of your bed and

405
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you know, just 2 glowing eyes, maybe a protruding face and that

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sort of thing.

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And then when Susan Twist is revealed as the agent of Su Tech, um

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or what is it?

409
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Scarman calls himself the emissary of Soutec and sort of throws

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her head back.

411
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That's like out of a Sam Raimi horror film.

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You know, I think the references are being worn on the sleeve and

413
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I really like it.

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Now you, now you say that.

415
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That dog.

416
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Reminds me of the Gamork from Netflix story, which scared me

417
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witless as a child.

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I used to, just it had these glowing green eyes for most of the

419
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film, it's just 2 glowing green eyes in the back of a cave, um, and

420
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that just stuck with me and and often, you know, if I had watched

421
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it, like I wouldn't be able to sleep because, you know, like the

422
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night light in the corner would just be like, like the dog walked

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away.

424
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Yeah.

425
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It's a great, you know, it's a, it's a great Muppet, but it's not

426
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it's not anywhere near as convincing as just those glowing eyes

427
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than I have a cable.

428
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But yeah, scary dogs.

429
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They're a thing of nightmares.

430
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Mm.

431
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So let's talk about where we think this is going.

432
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Todd can't be here tonight, but he is particularly interested in

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Mrs. Flood, I think.

434
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Like he mentioned her and mentioned, um, Susan Twist, because of

435
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course that just seems to have been a big kind of misdirect

436
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doesn't it?

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Despite having the all-important end of the teaser moment devoted

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to it.

439
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It doesn't seem to go anywhere.

440
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What do we think of Mrs. Flood?

441
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Well, she could be a Susan Christ.

442
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Yes, I think she is.

443
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I feel like she might actually be Susan.

444
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Um, and she might be Ruby's mother.

445
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So we talk about regeneration, remember?

446
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Where, um, we talk about regeneration and regeneration is

447
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something that you can do to escape death or to hide yourself

448
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away.

449
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And then when Mrs. Flood's in Cherry's bedroom, she's going, oh, or

450
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just outside Cherry's bedroom, you know, putting her coat, hanging

451
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her coat up.

452
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She's hiding myself away and you kind of think, oh, okay.

453
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All right.

454
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That was very subtle.

455
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So perhaps she's Susan.

456
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But that moment where she just kind of, the, like, her bedroom

457
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sort of darkens theatrically, like, Charlie's bedroom darkens

458
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absolutely theatrically, and she's just looking at us and talking

459
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about the storm coming on, is really great.

460
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So good.

461
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I think that Susan, as played by Carol Anne Ford, will be back

462
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next week.

463
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I'm nailing my colours to the master on that one.

464
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I think that Mrs. Flood has a 1st name of something like Aria or

465
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Allegra.

466
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So she's Aria Flood.

467
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Or to put it another way, river song.

468
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Oh my god.

469
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Projecting herself out of the library because just that line to

470
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Cherry of, well, we all want a lot of things.

471
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I can just hear Alex Kingston saying that.

472
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And let us not forget, River song is a psychopath.

473
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Okay.

474
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Though, you know, big finish has given her body back in the next

475
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box set.

476
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Oh, my God, of course.

477
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Modern technology, she gets to leave the library.

478
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Or it's Clara because she is wearing Clara's outfit for

479
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basically.

480
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She is great.

481
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Wow.

482
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Okay.

483
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Now, I will say, though, a thought that's just occurred to me is

484
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that like the toy maker and maestro...

485
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Mrs. Flood has broken the 4th wall twice now.

486
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And so I have to wonder if she is another god of self

487
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description.

488
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I'm not a malicious one.

489
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No, no.

490
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Despite her scary teeth.

491
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She's British.

492
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Yeah, I guess so.

493
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All right, I reckon there's one more thing that needs to be

494
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crossed off the list before we wind up today, and that is Brendan

495
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the sensor rights.

496
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Tell us about it.

497
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Okay.

498
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So I will start from the, um, the least significant working my way

499
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through.

500
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So, of course, we get doctor on the bridge and um, the doctor

501
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spends his, the 1st 2 episodes of the sensor rights on the bridge

502
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of a spaceship.

503
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Okay, yep.

504
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But we also have stories that involve psychic control.

505
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And a damaged TARDIS.

506
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We have a character called Susan talking about orange skies and

507
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dreaming of them.

508
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:01.440
Yeah.

509
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.980
We have a suspicion that Susan is being manipulated.

510
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:09.420
As well as threatening to give Susan some much needed character

511
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.460
development before deciding by the end of the story.

512
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:12.059
Nah.

513
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:20.339
But one, and I have to thank, I have to thank Peter for this

514
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:24.660
because in the group chat, he sort of brought up a possibility of

515
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:27.359
Mrs. Flood saying to Cherry Sunday.

516
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:28.859
Remember your family group?

517
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.440
sort of a threatening way.

518
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.720
And that just made me think of other dialogue from the sensor

519
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:34.019
right?

520
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:37.559
And the line that pops into my head with is I should imprison you

521
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.400
in some room wherein no light can shine and fill that room with

522
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.160
noise, which is rather like the time window.

523
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.259
Yeah, you know.

524
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.740
Um, but I think, I think for me, the, the biggest one there is, you

525
00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.980
know, we have a story about psychic, uh, psychic control, and we

526
00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:57.779
do have a damaged hardest that is significant, and also it's

527
00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:00.359
presented as a threat with the sensor rights.

528
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:02.640
The censors are capable of this level of threat because they can

529
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:03.599
violate the TARDIS.

530
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:06.839
And same as SUTEC.

531
00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:10.980
Are you going to put this theory to Russell on Instagram?

532
00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:18.420
I may do because, God, listen, whenever I comment on one of

533
00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:19.019
Russell's things.

534
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:20.460
He usually likes it.

535
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.599
And look, he could be liking every comment, but even so, even so

536
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.019
that takes effort and he's probably not liking the comments saying

537
00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:30.599
what are you doing putting gayness in Doctor Who?

538
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:31.500
This has never happened before.

539
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:32.940
You've made it work.

540
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.319
Okay, listen, Doctor Who please.

541
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:36.240
All right.

542
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:38.579
Speaking of speaking of the keys of mariners.

543
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:40.380
Exactly.

544
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.880
Yes, Altos is looking a little bit chilly around the thighs, isn't

545
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.119
he?

546
00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:46.440
All right.

547
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:49.799
So it's time for us to wind up, I think.

548
00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:51.599
What about plugging things?

549
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:55.559
I can tell you that this Friday, untitled Star Trek project will

550
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.220
be releasing an episode on The Devil in the Dark, which is the

551
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:01.319
famous episode with the lava duvet.

552
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:07.200
It is an absolute classic of the original series, one of the best

553
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.640
one of the best episodes, I think, of the show's entire run, and

554
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.799
absolutely what Star Trek is about, though.

555
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:14.640
I love it to death.

556
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:15.839
So that's coming.

557
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.380
And we did Startling Barbara Payne and released it on the weekend

558
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:24.660
which was not an episode about a hopeful future of exploring

559
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:28.559
Strange New World so much as a miserable future of going to

560
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.460
Strange New World and killing everyone there, but nevertheless, we

561
00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:33.539
enjoyed ourselves.

562
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.400
So that's uh, Voyager's Return, episode 6 of Startling Barbara

563
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:39.059
Bay.

564
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.559
Um, Brendan.

565
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:42.059
What do you want to plug?

566
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.039
I would like to plug the latest episode of the BJBJ game show on

567
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:52.859
the indie game, The Tourist, and also the latest episode of the

568
00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:58.319
three-handed game where our new theme is The Cool War, and we are

569
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.259
starting with the new Avengers episode to catch a rat.

570
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:03.119
Brilliant.

571
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:04.440
James, do you have to plug anything?

572
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.799
I was going to plug startling up a bank for you.

573
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.500
You've already done that for me.

574
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:11.279
Okay.

575
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:12.180
That's fine.

576
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.160
All right.

577
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:17.039
Well, in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next

578
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.759
time, you really should consider getting the car thoroughly

579
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.920
detailed, probably quite soon.

580
00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:25.680
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

581
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:27.059
Good night.

582
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.200
Good night.