WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-02 at 15:29:12 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.960 Hello, dear listener, and welcome to the 2nd great and bountiful 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.200 Human Empire, the only Doctor Who flash cast where you can hear 3 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:10.619 the half baked opinions of the flight through entirety hosts on 4 00:00:10.619 --> 00:00:14.039 the latest episode from the new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new 5 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:15.599 new, new series of Doctor Who. 6 00:00:16.140 --> 00:00:18.000 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:18.059 --> 00:00:19.559 I'm Todd. 8 00:00:19.620 --> 00:00:21.539 I'm James I'm Peter. 9 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:22.559 I'm Simon. 10 00:00:22.620 --> 00:00:28.140 And I'm a nasty cup of decaf ruining the last shot for this one. 11 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:34.259 So we have just watched this morning, The Starbeast, by Russell T 12 00:00:34.259 --> 00:00:39.719 Davidson directed by Rachel Talalay, and I have to say that I'm 13 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:40.979 pretty excited. 14 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:49.140 But let's just go round the horn and see how people feel about, I 15 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:54.420 think we'll start with the overall science fiction plot, the hard 16 00:00:54.420 --> 00:00:58.140 SF plot that the episode presented us with today. 17 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.600 So let me start with Simon. 18 00:01:00.659 --> 00:01:03.179 Are you a fan of Beat The Meep? 19 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:08.099 Well, I can't say I'm going to be, I can't say it's going to be on 20 00:01:08.099 --> 00:01:11.099 my watch list, but look, it was entertaining. 21 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.180 It drew me in. 22 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.280 I was engaged for 60 minutes. 23 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:16.140 So from that level, I can't complain. 24 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:20.099 It was actually better than I was fearing it might have been, but 25 00:01:20.099 --> 00:01:23.040 really, a lot of it's just quite silly, but that's okay. 26 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:27.180 I mean, I was sort of a bit concerned for you as this milestone 27 00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:27.959 approached, actually. 28 00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:32.219 So I'm in a particularly, particularly after editing our episode 29 00:01:32.219 --> 00:01:36.780 on Heaven Set, which was just released a few hours ago. 30 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:43.319 Well, my comments in that still stand very much. 31 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:48.420 But look, look, look, I was warned. from people who in the know, I 32 00:01:48.420 --> 00:01:51.959 was warned it was basically, you know, RTD won on steroids and 33 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:52.920 that's exactly what it was. 34 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:59.159 So I went in with that view and it's it's proven completely true. 35 00:01:59.219 --> 00:02:02.640 But as I said, the one thing that it has going for it better than 36 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.400 some of the other recent stuff we've had is that I wasn't looking 37 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:06.420 at my watch Wandering. 38 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:07.920 Oh my god, when is this going to end? 39 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:08.699 was entertained. 40 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.240 It might be the 1st episode of Doctor Who that I haven't done that 41 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.460 for in about 5 years, I think. 42 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.680 Richard. 43 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:19.259 Had you seen the Beep the Meep comic? 44 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:20.280 Did you know anything about this? 45 00:02:20.340 --> 00:02:24.659 I actually got it about 3 feet from my bedhead because of course 46 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:28.860 everything's exists in this moment of time, doesn't it, where we 47 00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:33.180 can just reach out and crawl through the dust to our childhoods? 48 00:02:33.180 --> 00:02:34.560 I didn't think much of it then. 49 00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:39.120 Honestly, Doctor Who Weekly, I thought, oh, it's about time this 50 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:39.599 got better. 51 00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:44.159 Um, I remember Iron Legion. was it part of that story or this no 52 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:45.539 that was another story. 53 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:47.099 Starbeast was its own story. 54 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.919 Look, it's exactly, it's exactly what Simon says. 55 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:53.460 You get what you're going to get on the cover and it's still a lot 56 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:57.599 of fun and all of the fun is because of Catherine takes Catherine 57 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:58.139 take. 58 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:02.639 Catherine takes, takes, and um, and her daughters, and they're 59 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:03.479 just sublime. 60 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:06.060 And of course, Russell was going to find a way to turn this blot 61 00:03:06.060 --> 00:03:08.580 around and talk about organic plots. 62 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:13.379 So yes, absolutely won me over, even though I was feeling quite 63 00:03:13.379 --> 00:03:15.960 similar to Simon for that 1st part. 64 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.599 Um, what about you, Peter? 65 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:21.719 Yeah, you said hard sci-fi. 66 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:24.840 I'm not sure how hard sci-fi story can be when it's based on a 67 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.520 comic strip from 1979. 68 00:03:26.699 --> 00:03:29.400 Um, but I really enjoyed it. 69 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:33.960 I thought it was going to be RTD redux. 70 00:03:34.020 --> 00:03:36.900 I'm not sure that what we've got coming is going to be, but I 71 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:39.240 thought that this episode would be and I wasn't disappointed. 72 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:42.120 Um, I was kind of there with Donna. 73 00:03:42.180 --> 00:03:45.840 You know, Donna, throughout is saying I had something lovely and 74 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:46.860 it's gone. 75 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:50.639 I kind of felt that about the show over the last few years. 76 00:03:50.699 --> 00:03:54.659 I kind of felt that the show that I was a fan of just wasn't 77 00:03:54.659 --> 00:03:55.979 exciting me very much anymore. 78 00:03:56.039 --> 00:04:00.360 Um, and even though this episode I wouldn't lay any good, I 79 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.080 wouldn't make any great claims for, um, it felt like the show that 80 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:04.800 I love again. 81 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:06.539 So on that count, I give it 10 out of 10. 82 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:08.819 Todd. 83 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.819 I have to agree with Peter. 84 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:16.199 Like, I just felt this was a warm hug and I just relaxed into it 85 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.300 and I haven't been relaxed into Doctor Who for some time. 86 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.019 I've always been on edge that it's not going to deliver, and this 87 00:04:25.019 --> 00:04:28.439 did deliver what I wanted it to, and I just, I just enjoyed it for 88 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:29.040 what it was. 89 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:33.300 And it was funny and it was light and it was entertaining and 90 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:37.740 there was just great character beats and it delivered what I 91 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:38.279 wanted it too. 92 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:43.740 I think I think that it's very similar to his other season openers 93 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:44.339 isn't it? 94 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:50.040 That the actual kind of Doctor Who plot is reasonably disposable 95 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.500 are not really what we're here for. 96 00:04:53.100 --> 00:04:57.779 But that what we're really here for is to catch up with the nobles 97 00:04:57.779 --> 00:04:59.819 and see what this new doctor is doing. 98 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.480 And I think, like all of you, that's what sold it to me. 99 00:05:03.540 --> 00:05:08.279 I had never seen or read the Starbeast. 100 00:05:08.339 --> 00:05:14.100 I had a vague idea that Beep the Meep was a bad person and that so 101 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:16.620 I wasn't at all surprised by the twist. 102 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.740 Have we ever known such as it was? 103 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:25.800 Have we ever known Miriam Margolis to ever disappoint on the, I 104 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:31.079 want to use the C word on the, on the cantankerous stakes? 105 00:05:31.139 --> 00:05:32.819 Yeah, that's right. 106 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.120 She's always given us great cantankerous. 107 00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:42.120 It felt very much to me like partners in crime, but had the sort 108 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.379 of Easter festive atmosphere of Planet of the Dead, I thought, and 109 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:47.399 it was exactly what you needed. 110 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:51.120 It was just that kind of, If you were trying to attract back an 111 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:54.000 audience who'd fallen away from Doctor Who, they were going to 112 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.060 tune into that and think, I'm watching an old Dave and Tennon 113 00:05:57.060 --> 00:05:58.680 episode from the height of its powers. 114 00:05:58.740 --> 00:06:00.600 It felt like that, and I think it was meant to feel like that. 115 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.339 Did we like at the very, very beginning, like with the voiceovers 116 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:06.720 and the sort of the pre-credit sequence. 117 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:10.560 I almost wanted to hear Paul McGann's voice say that it was on my 118 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.019 old planet Scaro that I finally, the master put on trial, whatever 119 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:13.740 it would have been. 120 00:06:13.980 --> 00:06:17.339 It was like, let's just had but better, obviously. 121 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:19.980 But it's kind of like, let's try and catch everyone who's just 122 00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:21.720 forgotten about this program for a while. 123 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.600 I thought it was a bit like a hostage video. 124 00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:25.800 It reminded me. 125 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:31.860 It reminded me of, um, it reminded me of Harrison Ford reluctantly 126 00:06:31.860 --> 00:06:35.519 doing the voiceovers for um, Blade Runner. 127 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:41.399 And, and certainly, all of the stuff that Donna says is basically 128 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.259 there in the episode. 129 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.379 Yeah, there was a little bit of sort of reluctance we have to do 130 00:06:46.379 --> 00:06:49.259 this to get people caught up, but it didn't feel like part of the 131 00:06:49.259 --> 00:06:49.620 episode. 132 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.040 I thought the interesting thing was the difference in picture 133 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.060 quality between, you know, that 4K thing that we were seeing and 134 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:03.180 the whatever the hell it was, the 480 P quotes that we were seeing 135 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:04.259 as well. 136 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:07.259 What about you, James? 137 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:08.879 We didn't hear from you. 138 00:07:08.939 --> 00:07:10.259 How did you feel about the episode? 139 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.720 I love the Starbeast? 140 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:15.180 Like, because it's ridiculous. 141 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.079 It's something that I thought until now could only be done. 142 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.180 As a comic strip. 143 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.060 And seeing this. 144 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:28.500 Just brought part of my childhood to life. 145 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:33.180 And it was a joy from beginning to end. 146 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:34.379 I'm not saying it was perfect. 147 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.480 But I really, really enjoyed it. 148 00:07:36.540 --> 00:07:40.740 It's got that sort of, you know, new Star Trek thing of kind of 149 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:45.660 going, let's go for a really deep cart and see if we can make 150 00:07:45.660 --> 00:07:51.240 something work from the kind of the most kind of obscure spinoff 151 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:56.339 material and our challenge is to make it work on TV in 2023. 152 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.439 And I think they just about managed it. 153 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.500 I'm not quite sure about the Roth Warriors, although they did have 154 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:04.139 names that became his head, which was pretty awesome. 155 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:07.259 I think that were the weakest point. 156 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:07.620 Yeah. 157 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.319 So, I mean, I would have thought that you would have appreciated 158 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:11.699 how well spoken they were. 159 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:13.319 They were very gosh. 160 00:08:13.379 --> 00:08:15.060 I did appreciate that. 161 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.319 Yes, they were very posh. 162 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:21.420 So marks for that, but low marks for their just they were men in 163 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:23.220 rubber suits, which I thought we'd moved past. 164 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.240 Richard? 165 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:29.040 Oh, Simon, thank you. because we're all enjoying yours and Simon's 166 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.680 Dulcets tonight, as you're the only ones that are speaking proper 167 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:32.820 through proper mics. 168 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:38.639 There was one technical bang for all the OCD kids being one of 169 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:38.820 them. 170 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.500 The 1st waspy mosquito green guard with red eyes, man, that would 171 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:44.399 go the Roth. 172 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:49.379 I spoke, and it sounded as if it was Matt Smith dialling it in 173 00:08:49.379 --> 00:08:50.399 from Metabolis. 174 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.960 The voice was distant and sounded as if it came through the mask. 175 00:08:55.019 --> 00:08:56.580 Did anyone else pick up on that? 176 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:59.279 No, it did feel like that. 177 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:01.919 I must all dash back and watch it all again. 178 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:05.759 It was almost as if something was let through, which can't be 179 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:06.179 possible. 180 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:07.259 Look at the budget. 181 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.740 But yeah, no, I agree with the voices, but they look exactly like 182 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:11.519 the drawings. 183 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:13.019 They really do. 184 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.700 Bit of a new complications situation. 185 00:09:16.740 --> 00:09:21.779 There was also a moment I noticed on the 2nd watch through where 186 00:09:21.779 --> 00:09:26.279 someone walks across in shot in the power station. 187 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.460 Behind Shirley? 188 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.559 It's not Barriman. 189 00:09:33.059 --> 00:09:35.159 That's Bat Smith. 190 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:41.220 All right, let's talk about the temple nobles or the noble temple 191 00:09:41.220 --> 00:09:47.759 so all of them who have all come back with a brilliant edition. to 192 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:48.840 the family. 193 00:09:48.899 --> 00:09:51.840 How did you feel about them, Todd? 194 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.360 Sylvia was a delight. 195 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.940 God, she's absolute delight. 196 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:01.440 She had moments that I was just there going, you are an unsung 197 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:02.820 hero of this. 198 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.779 I mean, obviously seeing Sean in action as well. 199 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.019 It was nice to have, you know, some backstory with him with what's 200 00:10:10.019 --> 00:10:10.620 going on. 201 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:14.700 And, um, and Rose had a lovely warmth about her. 202 00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:17.820 And I thought that was, it was a, it was a nice way to integrate 203 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:20.100 her story with the story. 204 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:22.860 I appreciated that very much. 205 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.419 She had a real glow. 206 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.179 And of course, I love... 207 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:27.779 Yeah, yeah. 208 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:33.720 And I love the fact that good old Kate Stewart is looking after. 209 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.820 That was lovely. 210 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.100 You love that too, don't you, Peter? 211 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.860 I liked the fact that even though what we wanted from this episode 212 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:48.179 was the doctor and Donna and Donna's family reunited and we got 213 00:10:48.179 --> 00:10:49.200 that in spades. 214 00:10:49.259 --> 00:10:52.980 Russell, being the genius years, of course, wasn't just content 215 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:53.279 with that. 216 00:10:53.340 --> 00:10:55.799 And so it is a subtly different dynamic. 217 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:58.919 Um, and I liked the fact, especially Sylvia. 218 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.500 Was not the Sylvia who we remembered. 219 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.940 The doctor basically told her off last time he saw her, maybe the 220 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:09.419 2nd last time he saw her, for not being supportive enough of 221 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:09.960 Donna. 222 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:12.600 And I think you've seen that over all of these years, she's become 223 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.340 more supportive of Donna. 224 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.399 She's had a few of those rough edges shorn off a little bit and 225 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:21.659 just, the dynamic was warmer and more caring, and I really liked 226 00:11:21.659 --> 00:11:21.960 that. 227 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:26.879 I did like, though, that moment where Donna describes what it's 228 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.519 like having a daughter and she grows up and she's this amazing 229 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:30.779 wonderful woman. 230 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:36.000 And then she kind of says, isn't isn't it like that, Mum, you 231 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:36.179 know? 232 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.620 So there was a lip still, Sylvia. 233 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:47.879 I want her to bowl for Britain with that 12 yard run up slap. 234 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:50.279 It's so good, wasn't it? 235 00:11:51.539 --> 00:11:56.519 She spent the last 15 years making sure that Donna doesn't find 236 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.519 out about the invasions that have happened in the meantime. 237 00:11:59.580 --> 00:12:00.299 Yeah. 238 00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:03.720 Well, that hilarious moment too at the beginning where she's down 239 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.620 repacking the boxes, while the alien ship lands so she doesn't see 240 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:11.279 it, where kind of for the 1st time ever, we actually get to see 241 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.000 that happening rather than just her telling us about how she was 242 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.720 hung over or underwater or whatever when the invasion happened 243 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:19.440 last time. 244 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:21.120 It's kind of genius. 245 00:12:21.179 --> 00:12:21.840 I thought that was pretty good. 246 00:12:21.899 --> 00:12:24.659 Yeah, during Day of the Triffords, Donna would have been in 247 00:12:24.659 --> 00:12:25.919 hospital having eye surgery. 248 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:26.399 Exactly. 249 00:12:27.899 --> 00:12:32.940 But I love the fact that Rose has got her online business, which 250 00:12:32.940 --> 00:12:36.419 ends up in all those little plush toys that are actually... 251 00:12:36.419 --> 00:12:37.200 Who monsters? 252 00:12:37.259 --> 00:12:38.100 monsters. 253 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.100 Oh, it was funny. 254 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.600 The wonderful thing with that is, is that the way that they're 255 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.539 shot, when you initially see them, you don't realise they're 256 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:49.379 adopted in monsters. 257 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:54.360 They're close enough and they're kind of fleetingly fleetingly 258 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.679 seen that you they might trigger something in the back of your 259 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:02.460 head and then when you come back and they do all the shots, like 260 00:13:02.460 --> 00:13:04.019 you're like, wow, that's so cool. 261 00:13:04.139 --> 00:13:05.820 So much fun. 262 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:06.539 Yeah. 263 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.799 I love to when the meep is sitting hiding in amongst them in a 264 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:11.940 very ET kind of moment. 265 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.460 It's a great reference to ET. 266 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.399 And of course, beat the meat, the comic. 267 00:13:17.460 --> 00:13:20.220 I'm not, I can't remember if there was a short end there like 268 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:20.460 that. 269 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.919 I suspect that there was any actual comic, but the comic, of 270 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:24.539 course, predated ET by 3 years. 271 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:25.620 Yes. 272 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:28.259 So it was a Doctor Who comic, was it? 273 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.659 Yeah, in Doctor Who weekly. 274 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:32.340 Indoctor Weekly, right. 275 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:34.799 So it's it's pre-frobisher. 276 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:36.960 Oh, yeah, yeah. 277 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.940 Tom was still the doctor. 278 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.519 It was still a weekly black and white paper. 279 00:13:41.580 --> 00:13:46.860 Yeah, and it did feature, like it did feature the 1st companion of 280 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:47.220 colour. 281 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:48.659 Oh, that's right. 282 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:49.799 Sharon. 283 00:13:49.860 --> 00:13:52.200 Yes, who becomes Rose in this? 284 00:13:52.259 --> 00:13:56.399 I actually like too, how well the transgender thing was handled 285 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.500 because, I mean, how do you make it clear to the audience that 286 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:07.679 Rose is transgender and it's clear because the boys are taunting 287 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:15.059 her and you get to see how much, you know, Donna will do to defend 288 00:14:15.059 --> 00:14:18.480 her daughter, which obviously plays in to her decisions at the 289 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.220 climax of the episode. 290 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.539 But I thought the bit with Sylvia, saying that she wasn't quite 291 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:28.440 sure how to deal with it, where she accidentally misgenders her 292 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.379 where she says, oh, you know, I get pronouns wrong, am I being 293 00:14:31.379 --> 00:14:36.480 sexist, if I say she's gorgeous, all of that stuff, where, like, I 294 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.480 just thought that there was something about that, you know, Russell 295 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.799 comes out very clearly uh, in favour of transgender people who are 296 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:49.080 a pretty beleaguered group, I think, in Great Britain, but he 297 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.480 doesn't go in all guns blazing. 298 00:14:51.539 --> 00:14:55.559 You know, this is something that's happening on telly on Saturday 299 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:59.279 night for families to watch, and I think that taking that approach 300 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:03.240 and showing some understanding towards people who didn't know very 301 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.659 much about it or didn't quite know how to react to it, I thought 302 00:15:06.659 --> 00:15:08.519 was really exactly the right thing to do. 303 00:15:08.580 --> 00:15:12.179 Especially older people, I think, will be this generation. 304 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.820 Although I have to say those things with the boys on the bike, I 305 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:18.240 thought, were an unusually hard-edged and effective scene for 306 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:18.720 Doctor Who. 307 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:20.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 308 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.639 Yeah, I mean, I'm inclined to agree with everything you've just 309 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:23.879 said. 310 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:27.000 The only, I mean, I am splitting hairs a little bit, but I do like 311 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:32.159 to do that, where Sylvia does misgender her, and in some respects 312 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.360 Donna kind of, I think, I mean, it's very subtle, but she's a bit 313 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.200 too mean to her. 314 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:39.360 Like I think they also needed to be a bit more understanding for 315 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.240 Sylvia, making coming to an adjustment as well. 316 00:15:42.299 --> 00:15:45.720 And I think, there would, I think Donna was a little bit too harsh 317 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:46.080 on her. 318 00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:48.960 Although it sort of was over very quickly. 319 00:15:49.019 --> 00:15:51.899 I mean, she kind of says, yes, she is gorgeous. 320 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:52.679 That's okay. 321 00:15:52.740 --> 00:15:53.580 What you said was okay. 322 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 323 00:15:55.259 --> 00:15:57.419 Yeah, I didn't get that, Simon. 324 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.799 I just felt that writing Sylvia, the way he did was a very 325 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.200 relatable move for people and I really liked it. 326 00:16:04.379 --> 00:16:06.899 There's a lightness of touch to that. 327 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:13.440 Because, like you say, it's going out at 6.37 PM on a Saturday 328 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:19.500 night and the audience is a mix of generations, a lot of people 329 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:25.320 who are going to have those kind of struggles and it's about 330 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:31.080 normalising it and and making it something which is just part of 331 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:31.740 people's lives. 332 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:32.580 It's not scary. 333 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.159 It's just, it just is. 334 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:35.759 Yeah. 335 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.820 And let's not forget that this is going out on a Saturday night 336 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:42.299 for strictly and strictly for just the last 2 years. has 337 00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:45.360 normalised having same-sex couples on the dancing on the dance 338 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:45.720 floor. 339 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:46.919 Only in the last few years. 340 00:16:46.980 --> 00:16:48.360 Only the last 2 years. 341 00:16:48.419 --> 00:16:50.220 I think maybe last season was the 1st time. 342 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.820 And so I think for a Saturday night, you know, the British viewing 343 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:56.399 public is becoming pretty liberal, actually. 344 00:16:56.460 --> 00:17:00.240 What was what was nice about it was that Sylvia was shown to be 345 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.039 being well intentioned. 346 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:06.299 And like you said, Peter, she's not quite, She's not quite the 347 00:17:06.299 --> 00:17:09.960 Sylvia that she was back in... 348 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.359 All those years ago. 349 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:12.900 Yeah. 350 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:16.079 Although I won't lie. 351 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:18.839 I would have loved to have seen the Sylvia return. 352 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.559 I love the subtle shading. 353 00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:26.880 I love that Sylvia is just like women in my family that age and 354 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.259 that Donna's old scars come straight to the surface and Donna 355 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:35.099 makes it about Donna and the pain that she had from Sylvia as a 356 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:35.339 child. 357 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.099 No, it's okay to praise a child, mom. 358 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.759 I really love the way she did that because that's exactly how it 359 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:42.299 would happen. 360 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:45.420 And they're both standing there saying, we both adore Rose. 361 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:46.200 Yes, we do. 362 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.359 Okay, mum, let's unbox this inside that. 363 00:17:48.779 --> 00:17:51.720 Yeah, it's perfect, Russell, writing. 364 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:53.579 And it's what he does really, really well. 365 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.460 When you look back at, I don't know if anyone's been listening to 366 00:17:56.460 --> 00:18:01.680 his old stuff on big finish, I listen to damaged goods and the one 367 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:06.779 he wrote when he was, I think, 22 and sent into the BBC for, do 368 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:07.140 you know that one? 369 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:08.819 Mind if the Hodea? 370 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:09.420 That's it. 371 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:10.200 I just listened to that. 372 00:18:10.259 --> 00:18:10.559 Yeah. 373 00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:12.180 I listened the other day. 374 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.599 It's got moments that are like this in that because he's always 375 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:17.940 wanted to write, you know, he always loved writing the family 376 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:18.539 drama. 377 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.039 I think it's note perfect. 378 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:25.319 Essentially, even though it's just a, you know, it's a adaptation 379 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.740 of a cartoon, it's actually about something as well. 380 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.140 And I think that was kind of what we were missing for the last 381 00:18:31.140 --> 00:18:32.460 couple of years in Doctor Who. 382 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.759 However, decent the quality of the story or the writing. 383 00:18:35.819 --> 00:18:39.119 It was really about something, and this just gives us the layers 384 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:39.960 which we can enjoy as well. 385 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:44.220 So let's talk about like the new show. 386 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:49.019 So we have a new doctor, we have new titles, we have Murray back. 387 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.400 We've got new title music, just the kind of feel of the show. 388 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:56.220 I thought it was great having Murray back. 389 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.099 I really enjoyed the music within this. 390 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:00.660 I love the theme tune. 391 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.859 I love the new wrote me titles. 392 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:03.779 I loved having the middle 8 back. 393 00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:07.380 No, I was going about that. 394 00:19:07.619 --> 00:19:11.640 So yeah, so from that point of view, I was very happy. 395 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:13.859 Whose hair did you enjoy, Todd? 396 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:20.160 Jonas was fabulous. 397 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:22.380 Did David have a wig? 398 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:25.980 No, no, just hair of an idiot. 399 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:26.519 Yeah, yeah. 400 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.339 Lots of jail. 401 00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:36.180 I will say that the line about his suit, like... 402 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:41.880 By the way, that suit that type should never be worn past 35. 403 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:43.319 Correct. 404 00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:44.819 So mean, awesome. 405 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:51.119 But I don't know if I got a very big difference in David's 406 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:51.599 performance. 407 00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:53.460 I think other people may have got more. 408 00:19:54.539 --> 00:19:59.339 When he had some big moments in there, I felt it was the David of 409 00:19:59.339 --> 00:19:59.700 old. 410 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.779 I think he was trying to do other stuff, but I guess I can't 411 00:20:03.779 --> 00:20:06.059 really make a full judgement on him. 412 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.579 But again, in the moment, I do enjoy him immensely. 413 00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:11.819 It was kind of a subtle shading, the difference, and I think 414 00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:12.539 that's what we wanted. 415 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:14.160 We didn't want anything radically different. 416 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:17.460 This is about the doctor and Donna being reunited. 417 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.400 So to make those characters fundamentally different would have 418 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.960 been a bit of a cheater of the audience, I think. 419 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:26.880 I like the bit about him saying twice that he loves someone. 420 00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:31.019 Like I think he says he loves Donna and then he loves Will, and he 421 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:33.660 kind of stops himself and says, oh, is that the sort of thing I 422 00:20:33.660 --> 00:20:34.259 say now? 423 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.759 And Shirley says, oh, prompts to Shirley too. 424 00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:40.559 Is it Shirley? 425 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:41.220 Shirley Ann? 426 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.539 I don't know what we're calling her. 427 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.279 But Ruth Mayley. 428 00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:48.299 Yeah, Shirley Ann, who is just tremendous. 429 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.900 And I want to go on record. 430 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:57.000 When the doctor says you've got weapons in that chair and she says 431 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:03.059 we all have, does that mean that Wilf will have weapons in his 432 00:21:03.059 --> 00:21:04.380 wheelchair in episode three? 433 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:07.259 I'm calling it. 434 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:08.819 I think that that's what that line means. 435 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:13.380 I think she was referencing Davro, so we did not open that point. 436 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:13.980 Oh, here we go. 437 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:15.599 Yeah, yeah, it's not. 438 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.220 But I liked her. 439 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:20.880 I thought it was a lovely performance and she got some really 440 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:21.720 great moments there. 441 00:21:21.779 --> 00:21:22.440 Yeah. 442 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:23.460 Yeah. 443 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.140 And she's gonna be back, I think. 444 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.599 And I love the fact that unit was sort of in the background 445 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.779 whether you saw the shot of the building or having her as a 446 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:34.859 scientific advisor and the soldiers, having them there set up for 447 00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:37.500 the next wherever they're going with it. 448 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:38.519 Yeah, it was good. 449 00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:40.680 Special shout out to Colonel Chan. 450 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:46.200 The incredibly hot soldier, the hero unit. the one who gets the 451 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:47.400 one who gets possessed first. 452 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:48.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 453 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.140 Yes. 454 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:49.859 Yeah, gorgeous. 455 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.640 It's got lovely eyes. 456 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:52.079 Very lovely. 457 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.079 They were all very protection. 458 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:55.559 They were. 459 00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:58.019 They were all very As they should be. 460 00:21:58.380 --> 00:22:03.539 As opportune A. Um, Simon. 461 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:04.740 What did you think? 462 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:09.779 Oh, well, look, it's, it's, it's what I was expecting in terms of 463 00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.119 its, it's that very, which is where the show's been going for a 464 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:12.480 long time. 465 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:14.700 It's Disney slash Marvel universe. 466 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.279 It's all very polished. 467 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:20.759 I don't mean that saying that we don't want to be polished, but it 468 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:24.720 all has a kind of a movie like feel to it that makes it all kind 469 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.599 of ooze together as one continuous thing, especially with the 470 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.299 soundscape, is all practically continuous behind it. 471 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.240 Uh, I do love, love though, the um, the new Tatis interior. 472 00:22:36.299 --> 00:22:40.619 I mean, finally, we have a TARDIS interior, which feels, you know 473 00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.259 faithful to the original at last. 474 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:44.819 Where have you been all my new year is like? 475 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.180 It's like all of the ones that were in Dwim as sort of concept art 476 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:50.940 for the TARDIS if the show ever came back. 477 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:51.720 Do you know what I mean? 478 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:54.839 It was going to be a big Taurus, you know, with the thing in the 479 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:55.140 middle. 480 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.980 Dark dimension, yeah. 481 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:57.539 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 482 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.079 And the round things, we love the round things. 483 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:02.819 I mean it looks incredible. 484 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:03.299 Peter. 485 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.880 Yeah, so, I mean, I think you're saying that because of the 486 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.180 fulness of roundles that were available. 487 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.819 It's not just the fulness of Randalls. 488 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:13.019 There's also the point Donna makes. 489 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.140 I hated the fact that, you know, the older TARDIS, particularly 490 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.140 the RTD irritatuses felt dirty. 491 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:21.779 Like, I thought, like, God, I don't want to touch anything because 492 00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:23.579 they're all oily and grotty and everything. 493 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:26.519 And at least they kind of gradually became cleaner over time. 494 00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:29.640 But this one feels like, you know, it's all gleaming white. 495 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:32.039 It's exactly what you want a TARDIS interior to be. 496 00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:35.460 It was shot inside one of those old Macs. 497 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:38.640 You know, the little sort of round semicircle max with a monitor 498 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:39.539 protecting problem? 499 00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:40.980 It was gone inside that. 500 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.140 With the coloured background, with the coloured back. 501 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.119 It's the Bondi blue, yeah. 502 00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:48.779 I just love all those, all the round ramps going everywhere. 503 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.299 Yeah, just... 504 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:56.460 David run around, you know, and go under the main level where the 505 00:23:56.460 --> 00:23:59.279 camera sort of follows around and he's distant. 506 00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.839 Like it really sells the place. 507 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.660 One of the things, one of the things about, I don't know whether 508 00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:06.480 it's the lenses they're using or what they're doing with cameras 509 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.500 but there just seemed to be a real depth of field and there were 510 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:15.480 night shots and we were in big spaces and it just sold the movie 511 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.319 feel to me. 512 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.559 Like 50 minutes is at nighttime. 513 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:20.759 It's amazing, Todd. 514 00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:22.319 Yeah, I agree. 515 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:24.779 I think Rachel's direction was brilliant with a lot of those 516 00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:29.339 action sequences down the street, but I think one of the greatest 517 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:34.140 shots ever was the meep creeping past that sleeping man. 518 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.240 I just... 519 00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:37.500 It was so good. 520 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:43.500 And the music drops out as all the music drops down as they do 521 00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:43.619 it. 522 00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:47.220 The thing that I was thinking of with the opening titles, Simon, is 523 00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:50.519 that things happen when the music changes, which is a thing that 524 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:51.839 has never achieved before. 525 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:59.339 Apart from the series 7B. I was really happy that the wonderful 526 00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:04.500 series 7B, except it's the credits that are still, to this day, the 527 00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.700 best credits of the new series. 528 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.559 But the, the, uh, the, look, yes, I think the credits were great. 529 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:11.279 They were rich. 530 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:11.940 They were interesting. 531 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.160 Things were happening, though, and more to the point, as you say 532 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.140 things were happening in time to the music, so it looks like they 533 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:16.859 were done together. 534 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:21.420 One thing that disappointed me was the logo, just flies along, it 535 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.720 appears as like it's a great big plaque in space, as opposed to 536 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.119 somehow assembling, coming together. 537 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.539 I just, I mean, I know the diamond logo in, in, back in the day 538 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:33.900 kind of just, just down the, the time tunnel, but I expected, like 539 00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:36.900 you get, where, with all these number acclimations that we've been 540 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:37.740 getting of the low, but. 541 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.299 Well, exactly. but in reverse. 542 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:40.920 Yeah, well at the end of episode five. 543 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:43.859 But there's been all these great animations of like the logo with 544 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.960 glowing bits of the who and so on. 545 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:46.920 It looks fantastic. 546 00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:49.680 And yet we just get this kind of flat plaque appearing in the 547 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:50.579 middle of the opening credits. 548 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.240 So I went, oh, that's a bit disappointing, but you know, I'm 549 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:54.660 fussy. 550 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:56.519 You can't win them more, Simon. 551 00:25:56.579 --> 00:25:58.740 I really, I just loved it. 552 00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:59.880 I loved that. 553 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:00.960 But we should be able to win them all. 554 00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:02.460 We should be able to win them all. 555 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:03.960 Aspire to perfection, I say. 556 00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:09.059 I did think of you, Simon, when I was watching those opening 557 00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:12.359 titles because it reminded me of the point. 558 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.460 I think you made way back in sort of series one or series 2 about 559 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:22.140 how it looks like the the logo is designed from a completely 560 00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:24.960 different team from the title sequence itself. 561 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:26.579 It felt... 562 00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:30.119 It felt like it was just kind of plonked in there. 563 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:35.339 There's a different render, doesn't really gel, like if there's 564 00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:38.819 some washers on it to make it look like it's moving through. 565 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.299 But I think, yeah, I think that was the one thing that 566 00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:46.500 disappointed me about those titles was that, It just didn't feel 567 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:49.380 organic, that the 2 pieces of it. 568 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.299 Um, and doesn't have to be a diamond tunnel. 569 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.700 But maybe that would have worked. 570 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.799 I think it might have. 571 00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:01.440 Or at least a part of a Darvin Tuttle. 572 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:03.779 Look, yeah, it's just the fact that it was a solid. 573 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.680 As I said, it's a single item of logo that just arrives rather 574 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.319 than a logo made up of bits. 575 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:12.660 And I think, I think doing something like that. 576 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.539 I'm not saying it all needed to assemble or appear from the cloud 577 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.599 background or whatever, but I just think that seemed to be a 578 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.400 plonked on thing at the last minute. 579 00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.619 Like they weren't sure when they designed the music and the 580 00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:23.039 titles. 581 00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:24.660 They weren't sure what the logo was going to be yet. 582 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.400 That's what it's sort of wrecked of for me. 583 00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:29.339 Simon, being a fan of Hinch Cliffera, I thought you would have 584 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:30.599 enjoyed a bit of the plaque in space. 585 00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:32.279 Oh my god. 586 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.759 I have no retort. 587 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:40.859 Was anyone else watching it on Disney Plus itself because I hope I 588 00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:44.039 can make adjust a setting on Disney Plus, but basically like 2 589 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.180 seconds into the end credits. 590 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.819 It decides to, of course, make it a picture in picture thing and 591 00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.460 you have to go back to it, which is the most annoying thing about 592 00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:51.660 streaming services. 593 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.720 I like the ones where you can turn that off and I shall 594 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:55.920 investigate Disney+. 595 00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:57.480 Otherwise, there'll be emails written. 596 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.000 Yes, write to your MP, for God's sake. 597 00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:02.700 Please do assignment because yes, that got to me too. 598 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.740 I went, no, I don't want that in little box thing. 599 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.940 I want to see the whole. 600 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.619 Yeah, save us from that. 601 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.740 Start an online petition or something. using change.org. 602 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.160 How about that? 603 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.680 That seems terribly passionate. 604 00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.119 All right. 605 00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.460 Well, unless anyone has anything more to say. 606 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.980 I think we might wind this up. 607 00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:23.039 Does anyone have any final statements, Richard? 608 00:28:23.099 --> 00:28:26.160 I'm just back to the TARDIS set. 609 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.380 Did anyone else feel a pang of disappointment? 610 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.740 that Olivia Newton-John wasn't here to roller skate around that 611 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:36.839 thing. since we seem to be stuck in 1979, 1980. 612 00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:40.500 I really did feel like it was Kubrick doing Xanadu. 613 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.880 But that's no bad thing. 614 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:43.680 Todd? 615 00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:49.619 I loved the map and I loved when the map turned and the teeth and 616 00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.859 the eyes and that I was just great and when you're going to eat 617 00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:55.079 you all, like, oh, one of them anyway. 618 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:56.460 I just thought it was great. 619 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.019 I was laughing my head off. 620 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.519 The return of puppet aliens, I think, is very, very much to be 621 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:03.420 encouraged. 622 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:03.779 Peter. 623 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.759 Todd, did you enjoy the meat here? 624 00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:09.000 Stop it, Peter. 625 00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:09.839 Yes, I did. 626 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:11.339 It was luscious. 627 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.900 Simon? 628 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.059 Look, I just wonder whether starting the Disneyified version of 629 00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:23.339 the show with a stuffed animal as the, you know, villain or at 630 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:26.099 least the cuddly thing in the villain was the right message that 631 00:29:26.099 --> 00:29:27.480 they were wanting to send. 632 00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:31.680 And maybe it is going to be that sort of thing as we as we 633 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.980 progress, like, you know, the action figure of the week, maybe. 634 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.339 That's the thing that sort of is a little alarm bell that's going 635 00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:38.819 off in my head. 636 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.579 Uh, I think that's really deliberate. 637 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.980 I think choosing a Marvel villain. 638 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.359 Yeah, there we go. 639 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.740 He's a Marvel villain. 640 00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:47.940 Right. 641 00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:49.200 DW always published. 642 00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:50.519 By Marvel. 643 00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:54.539 And Marvel was, yes. and it was written by people who worked for 644 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:55.079 Marvel. 645 00:29:55.140 --> 00:29:55.380 Yeah. 646 00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:57.779 So it's a Marvel villain on Disney. 647 00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:01.259 I think that's a lot of triple branding. 648 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.519 There's a lot of triple bluffing going on there, I think, as well 649 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.740 to try and make us think that this is what we're about to get. 650 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:08.700 That's what I'm hoping. 651 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:09.660 I think so too. 652 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.240 And I think next week is likely to be very different. 653 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:13.559 All right. 654 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:16.619 I have some things to plug before we go. 655 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:23.579 Flight through entirety is nearing the end of series 9 and next 656 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.900 Sunday we'll be doing our Hellbent episode. 657 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.720 Startling Barbara Bain has just released its 2nd episode on Force 658 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.259 of Life. 659 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:40.500 So fans of Kubrick and Prentice Hancock should both check that 660 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:40.799 out. 661 00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:45.660 And of course, as always, maximum power and untitled Star Trek 662 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.700 project continue unabated. 663 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.660 James, you're probably going to go and press publish on that 664 00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:53.759 episode when we hang up here. 665 00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:54.480 Is that right? 666 00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:56.700 Possibly, possibly. 667 00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.759 Well, I'm about 5 to midnight. 668 00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:00.960 Yeah, one of those. 669 00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:03.539 English people will still be awake by then. 670 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:07.319 And if I can just sort of plug something else, which I wouldn't 671 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.660 normally plug it in this program, but there has been a crossover 672 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:14.279 from my radio show where I speak to a classical musician or an 673 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.099 actor or a director or something, because this last week on the 674 00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:21.119 show, the week of the anniversary, I was very happy to be joined 675 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.619 by everyone's favourite companion, Katie Manning, and she was 676 00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:27.299 absolutely gorgeous, absolutely delightful. 677 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.299 The interview only does only cover a little bit of Doctor Who. 678 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.240 It is designed for a broader audience, but it's fascinating to 679 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.640 hear about basically all the rest of her life. 680 00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:38.940 So if you have any interest in that, you can find it by searching 681 00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:41.940 just in conversation, Katie Manning, and it should come up pretty 682 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:43.259 high in your podcast. 683 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:47.279 And can I just say that if we hadn't had Miriam voicing Beep the 684 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.839 Meep, wouldn't Katie have been amazing? 685 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:50.519 She'd have been amazing. 686 00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:52.140 And she could have done all those voices as well. 687 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.180 And she does so many of the interview, I do. 688 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.380 Bet she does. 689 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:56.339 It does, Simon. 690 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:56.759 She does. 691 00:31:56.819 --> 00:31:58.019 All right. 692 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.299 In that case, all that remains is for me to say. 693 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.799 Until next time, we'll be here on Mars with Chaucer and a robot 694 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:05.519 shark. 695 00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:08.039 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 696 00:32:08.099 --> 00:32:09.720 See you later. 697 00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:10.559 Good night. 698 00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.579 Bye for now. 699 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.900 See you soon. 700 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.039 Vennings.